pros/cons of single v double swing out? (1 Viewer)

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Schmutz

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ISO feedback from you all. What do you think are the advantages and/or disadvantages of the single-swing-out compared with the double-swing-out on a rear bumper?

Also, in the case of a single-swing-out, what are the pros and cons of swing out to the DS versus swing out to the PS?

I have my own ideas, but want some objective second opinions and feedback, just in case I'm totally off base or missed something important. Also, I need to make up my mind before the 4x4Labs group buy ends in two days...Appreciate your input Mudders...
 
I'm getting a double. I can tell you that I'll miss driving with the wagon hatch open, being able to haul sheets of plywood and drywall, but that's my excuse to eventually get a trailer.
I won't miss hauling my spare tire in the cargo area.
 
dbug said:
I'm getting a double. I can tell you that I'll miss driving with the wagon hatch open, being able to haul sheets of plywood and drywall, but that's my excuse to eventually get a trailer.
I won't miss hauling my spare tire in the cargo area.
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I drive with hatch open from time to time, nothing stopping you there...
 
Schmutz said:
ISO feedback from you all. What do you think are the advantages and/or disadvantages of the single-swing-out compared with the double-swing-out on a rear bumper?

Also, in the case of a single-swing-out, what are the pros and cons of swing out to the DS versus swing out to the PS?

I have my own ideas, but want some objective second opinions and feedback, just in case I'm totally off base or missed something important. Also, I need to make up my mind before the 4x4Labs group buy ends in two days...Appreciate your input Mudders...
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My truck is kind of a daily driver and I live in kind of an urban area. I didn't want a giant swing arm to deal with when I have to park on my street. The same can go for tight spots on the trail, I suppose. As for the left/right thingie? I don't know. I have the standard 4x4Labs bumper and I run the spare on either side, depending on my needs at the moment. Personally, I like it better on the driver's side (where it was designed to be): I can use the mirrors to see what's going on back there, whereas I feel like I need all the visibility I can get over on the passenger side...
 
My friend has a double on his 80 and it's a pain having to deal with two sets of latches every time you need to get in the back. I like the idea of a swing out bumper but I put stuff in the back too often to want to deal with the swing out latches.
 
There are a few good threads on the subject up recently.

I had a single swing IPOR purchased 10 years ago and probably some 4-5 years back. I didn't mind it. Brand specific critique aside it worked great and held a tire and high lift and was solid/stout. Concretejungle ordered their first double swing a few weeks later and it's simple and effective but latches are a bit buried under attachments but not bad at all.

When I sold the IPOR i picked up a interior tire carrier (for sale) and a 4x4 labs and really enjoyed the aesthetic of a bare 80 behind :D but ease of use/functionality of it as well.

But I've come to the point I needed more room inside and fuel for longer trips so broke down and worked up a Swingout out this past week. Was aiming for 3/4 length and a copy of pandathrust's build but made a few changes along the way and ended up with a 7/8ths Swingout lol

Short story if I got to open one I only want to open one.
 
As for sides.

Right(pass) side counteracts the driver and fuel tank weight that springs account for in free height.

Left allows better view out of a LHD drive rig both mirror and over shoulder.

I decided Ctr and view be damned and then went far right before coming back to left bias to be near the spindle

Some argue swing from pass side pivot to be out of traffic for a flat but I'm fine with the chance of that moment
 
Schmutz said:
ISO feedback from you all. What do you think are the advantages and/or disadvantages of the single-swing-out compared with the double-swing-out on a rear bumper?

Also, in the case of a single-swing-out, what are the pros and cons of swing out to the DS versus swing out to the PS?

I have my own ideas, but want some objective second opinions and feedback, just in case I'm totally off base or missed something important. Also, I need to make up my mind before the 4x4Labs group buy ends in two days...Appreciate your input Mudders...
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Great questions.

1. Single swing out: means that you might Shyet your pants trying to get to the toilet paper via the swing out.

2. Double swing out: means you're crawling over your 2nd row seats to get toilet paper because opening your 2 swing out is so much work you will shyet in your pants. The problem here is you forgot exactly where the toilet paper is and as you reach over the 2nd row seats in a panic you end up shyeting in your pants.

Zona
 
jfz80 said:
But I've come to the point I needed more room inside and fuel for longer trips...
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Cargo space is my biggest criterion for the swingout. i wheel with my family (wife and 3 kids). When we go on longer trips, (which thankfully we're able to do more often), especially when we wheel in primitive back country areas, we're hauling a lot of kit plus spare fuel. The cargo area is stuffed to capacity, and the safari basket often seems too small! For now I haul the jerry cans on the roof, and my spare tire is still underneath in the factory spot. But more frequently I'm snagging the spare on rocks and stumps, and i want to reduce the overhead weight. Seems like the best solution is a swingout bumper for tire, hi-lift and fuel.
 
zona said:
Great questions.

1. Single swing out: means that you might Shyet your pants trying to get to the toilet paper via the swing out.

2. Double swing out: means you're crawling over your 2nd row seats to get toilet paper because opening your 2 swing out is so much work you will shyet in your pants. The problem here is you forgot exactly where the toilet paper is and as you reach over the 2nd row seats in a panic you end up shyeting in your pants.

Zona
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LOL! Fortunately toilet paper stays up front with the missus. But I see your point. Seems either way is a challenge
 
Single swing out ftw.
 
I like and have doubles. They don't swing out as far which is a huge benefit plus you can hang more items on them when going on long camping/hunting trips.
 
I think if the quality of the build (strong bearings, easy but reliable latches, etc), then it becomes second nature to open and swing out even on a DD. Having said that, I am trying to keep my 80 looking fairly stock, so I have a spare in the normal under slung position, and one goes on the roof rack. So the rack (with the spare and the RTT) only goes on if out camping. If you REALLY need to carry two spares every day wherever you go then I guess you have to put up with any (perceived) inconvenience.

regards

Dave
 
OK here's what I've learned so far, both on this thread, and on the other thread pointed out by dbug above:

You have spoken, and the consensus is that swing outs in any shape or form are going to be a PITA. OK, I believe you all. Got it. No argument from me.

However, if one is determined to pursue the swing out, then...

Single Swing out:
Pros:
  • costs less
  • less hassle to open (one latch instead of two = 1/2 the PITA factor)
  • one can attach a fold-down table to the inside
Cons:
  • can be very heavy once loaded down with tire, hi-lift, and several full jerry cans -this could be dangerous on slope or incline
  • need more space behind it to open, whether parked on a street somewhere, or just in one's own garage
  • likely impossible to swing out while towing a trailer
  • can occasionally make accessing recovery gear impossible if rear of vehicle is too close to large obstacles. (Although my recovery draw is setup so I can access it by folding up PS 2nd-row seat)
Double Swing Out:
Pros:
  • better distribution of weight from heavy items
  • less space required to open
  • possibly can open them while towing
Cons:
  • cost more
  • double the PITA factor to open (which with kids is FREQUENT)

Aaaargh... this is not going to be an easy decision. And I imagine whichever option one picks, at some point one ends up cursing it and wishing one had gone the other way...

Thank you all so much for your valuable real-life input. If you have something helpful to add, I'm still listening...
 
Just how bad do you need a swing out? How many punctures do you think you are going to get around town............oh wait, back up a bit.

If you have Toyo A/T's then yes I agree, carry multiple spares around town. My LC 80 thread. most other brands keep with the single.

regards

Dave
 
double swing arm bumper with a wagongear flip up hatch doors will be the perfect setup!

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