Fair points, however, the price of premium fuel negates some of the benefits of better fuel economy, especially in situations where the batteries can't provide significant assistance
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So you're a skinny drunk liberal. Cool beans.
Would you argue a base 2025 1958 LC is worth 20k more than a base 2025 Bronco?
Would you argue a base 1958 LC is worth >$60k OTD?
If you can make that argument I'm all for it. However, my wallet nor myself can not.
It seems hard to argue that the LC250 is worth the 50% cost increase over a Bronco. One could run the numbers with some time in Excel and compare the presumably higher long-term resale of a LC250 and presumably lower maintenance/repair costs over the Bronco, over say a 10-year ownership period, and see how that works out. Even if that does work out, I think the gains would be more than erased by the ROI on that $20K if you stuck it in the stock market. Granted, that assumes one is paying cash for both vehicles, so finance costs would need to be considered as well.
If someone can estimate the 10-year resale value and annual maintenance/repair costs for both rigs me, along with their current finance rates, I'll run that assessment and see where we actually end up. Someone smarter than me could then run some Monte Carlo simulations and really figure it out
.Toyota needs to make/sell a reliable, 4x4 BOF SUV in the $45-50K range that isn't a total stripper. I get why they aren't, but I still think they should. Paying 10-20% more for a Toyota over a Ford is a reasonable value proposition. Paying 50% more probably isn't.
But, per my previous comments, it does not matter to me. I'm armchair quarterbacking this. I love my 470. If it gets totaled tomorrow, I would likely get a 2022-2023 460 as a replacement.
You do know that many small Colorado towns are still full of mountain hillbillies. Not much different than Kentucky. CA and TX transplants haven't displaced all of them yet.
I think a better comparison to the 1958 is an SR5 2025 4Runner with the optional part-time 4x4. Cloth interior, BoF TNGA-F, 4 doors, built in Japan, same A24A Turbo 4 and 8-speed gearbox but without hybrid. Priced out in my region $44,220. And the SR5 still has power windows/doors/hatch and TSS 3.0 and 9 air bags. The one I priced out online even had the heritage blue paint.
If the 1958 features are not what is wanted your local toyota dealer has less expensive answer in the same show room.
Between a low budget Bronco and an SR5 4R I’ll take the 4R all day every day over the low-budget Bronco. I had a fully-loaded Bronco Wildtrak reservation/custom order for a long time and if Ford could have built it in a reasonable time frame I’d have it in my driveway. Once the 250 series was shown I added a deposit on both the LC and GX and then finally passed on the Bronco, it’s cracking top, leaky top, noisy interior and got back my deposit. My colleague has a Wildtrak and it is capable, cool and a pain to actually live with especially due to the noise.
Would I buy a used Bronco for a wheeling vehicle? If I lived directly adjacent to National Forest I’d totally buy a used WildTrak and keep it in the garage ready to hit trails.
So, the market is telling Toyota the 1958 is too expensive since buyers are getting discounts. The market works, discounts will continue & Toyota will make changes to add value (or lower price) or they will just drop the 1958 trim and let price sensitive buyers get an SR5 4R.
My $0.02.
If the 1958 features are not what is wanted your local toyota dealer has less expensive answer in the same show room.
Between a low budget Bronco and an SR5 4R I’ll take the 4R all day every day over the low-budget Bronco. I had a fully-loaded Bronco Wildtrak reservation/custom order for a long time and if Ford could have built it in a reasonable time frame I’d have it in my driveway. Once the 250 series was shown I added a deposit on both the LC and GX and then finally passed on the Bronco, it’s cracking top, leaky top, noisy interior and got back my deposit. My colleague has a Wildtrak and it is capable, cool and a pain to actually live with especially due to the noise.
Would I buy a used Bronco for a wheeling vehicle? If I lived directly adjacent to National Forest I’d totally buy a used WildTrak and keep it in the garage ready to hit trails.
So, the market is telling Toyota the 1958 is too expensive since buyers are getting discounts. The market works, discounts will continue & Toyota will make changes to add value (or lower price) or they will just drop the 1958 trim and let price sensitive buyers get an SR5 4R.
My $0.02.
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joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
@tacoshawn I had a very similar trajectory. Deposit on a Wildtrak 4 door order back in ‘22. They couldn’t build it in 9 months of waiting, so I bailed out. I’m leasing, and trading in my Tundra Platinum on my 1958, so my numbers are going to be way off the average walk in and buy scenario. I built and priced both the 1958 and the cheapest Bronco Sasquatch 4 door with the V6 I could get. The 1958 ended up being less than $40/month more, and I will easily get that back in fuel savings. I could save more by going 4 cylinder in the Bronco, but I will tow 3-4,000 lbs with either vehicle, so the Ford 4 cylinder is not a great option.
The new 4Runner might be a good option when it finally gets here, but if it is 15% more money for the Land Cruiser sign on the ‘58, I’m paying it. I don’t love the look of either the new Taco or the new 4R, but I do like the look of the ‘58 and I like it better than the LC trims and the 6 headlights.
Longterm, the 1958 is going to be a better truck than the Bronco in almost every way.
The new 4Runner might be a good option when it finally gets here, but if it is 15% more money for the Land Cruiser sign on the ‘58, I’m paying it. I don’t love the look of either the new Taco or the new 4R, but I do like the look of the ‘58 and I like it better than the LC trims and the 6 headlights.
Longterm, the 1958 is going to be a better truck than the Bronco in almost every way.
This is a good comparison, and we avoid having to go back in time to 2017 and keep trying to wild guess that $58k today is equivalent to $45k in 2017. I think most of us agree that the Prado 1958 is way overpriced for what it is, and as I said a couple posts above, Toyota is just surfing on the LC name wave they smartly created and cheated some of us into. I just hope the ones jumping into the 1958 keep sticking to their guns and forcing the stealerships into at least a $5k discount over MSRP to even start negotiating.
Fully agree with your preference of the 1958 over the 4R. I historically like 4Rs a lot and believe Toyota will sell a ton of the new ones. I hope the 1958 (especially after a discount) volumes keep Toyota interested and bringing it to the US. I like the hybrid, I like full-time 4WD, I like the rear locker.
I also agree, in the long term the 1958 will be a far better truck versus the Bronco. I expect the market will tell us the same with the 250 and 4R used prices holding like the Tacoma/4R used prices versus the Bronco. A used Sasquatch Bronco is interesting for a toy at the right price point and given enough room in the garage.
Have a great time when you get your 1958!
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joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
All you guys insistent on saying “Prado” over and over again in an effort to belittle the 260s do understand that the 250 is built on the exact same chassis as the flagship 300, right?
Oh, God...here we go again.
joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
As long as people keep calling vehicles without the Prado badge on them Prados, in a country where Prados have never been imported, this nonsense will continue. Toyota sets the name on their models, not nerds on the internet.Oh, God...here we go again.
Just call it a 250 and we can all get along.
That a Prado brother
Wow...calm down buddy. I am sure your P...ops, 250 will be awesome. Don't mind these silly mean people teasing you.
LOL...Ditto.That a Prado brother
Well, here’s an opinion I could use…I am an FJ40 guy…I have several 40;s and 45’s. And, even when the 60 series and 80 series came out, I was surprised to see the name Land Cruiser on them back in the 80’s and 90’s. So fast forward 30+ years…my wife has a new Chevy Suburban… it is a very plush and deluxe ride but she believes she’d like a smaller truck and always loved the newer land cruisers. I am guessing the 1958 is the Land Cruiser ?
joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
I’m totally calm. Buddy. Just making a point. It’s like back in the day my 1981 Toyota 4x4 pickup was not called a Hilux. The VW Golf here is a Polo in Europe. You guys are not any cooler for calling a vehicle by its overseas name. Just saying.
Deal. You've made it.
Just accept some of us disagree with you and will keep calling it by its name (in our opinion). We will get along just fine.I know nothing about Chevy Suburbans, but would say that the words "plush" and "deluxe" do NOT go along with the Prado 1958. Maybe try the mid trim or the FE which are, let's say, less spartan.
joseywales
Renaissance Redneck
I’ve been getting along with everyone here for almost 20 years. It’s you youngsters (Deal. You've made it.
) that seem to stir the pot…Wait until we start getting the millennials and Genzs around here.I’ve been getting along with everyone here for almost 20 years. It’s you youngsters (
. Although they are probably somewhere in TikTok or whatever the latest squirrel-on-drugs-attention-span app is. 
