Police SUV front bumper pushbars

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I've been looking for Police SUV (Tahoe or Expedition/Explorer) type of front bumper push bars for a while and can't find any.
I don't like the looks of the grill guards/bull bars offered by the usual brands. Any suggestions?
 
the suggestion would be to skip this mod....
 
Waag makes one. TJM makes a tubular one. You can also buy a used brush guard for cheap then cut off the headlight section and repaint it after grinding things flush.

Not everybody is a rockcrawler...
 
I've been looking for Police SUV (Tahoe or Expedition/Explorer) type of front bumper push bars for a while and can't find any. I don't like the looks of the grill guards/bull bars offered by the usual brands. Any suggestions?

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If I could find one which I can hook up winch to, it would be ideal. I'm not crazy about the weight and costs of a full steel bumper and a bull bar or push bar would be nice.

Let me know if you find one.
 
If you want a winch, mount one BEHIND the factory bumper directly to the frame. If you want a push bar, NEVER attach a winch to one - not made well enough to trust during a pull.
 
These guys may have a solution: http://www.lynx4x4.co.za/toyota-landcruisers.html I see "police style" bumpers for new 70's and they do special orders. Also found these guys: http://www.afn.pt/prod_model.php?id=228

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I'd highly recommend against a police-style push bumper, at least the kind they put on the crown vics. It's only attached at the bottom and acts like a long lever- designed to flex while locking up while pushing a car to prevent damage to the car you're pushing. Even a low speed impact will bend it into your grill and hood, where without it your bumper would probably be fine. Go to your local PD. Kick a push bumper and see how far it bends. Then run. You'll see what I mean. I can't speak to these other ones mentioned, just food for thought.
 
push bars/bumper guards

Thanks 1407driver, that's good to know. Now where can I find one that's tough enough for the 2005 LC? I looked around and am having a hard time. Talked to WAAG, they only do up to 2004. I looked at Aries, no. I don't want to replace the entire front bumper for the ARB.
Is there any other reputable brands out there?
 
Why don't you have one fabbed up by the local welding shop?
 
Thanks 1407driver, that's good to know. Now where can I find one that's tough enough for the 2005 LC? I looked around and am having a hard time. Talked to WAAG, they only do up to 2004. I looked at Aries, no. I don't want to replace the entire front bumper for the ARB.
Is there any other reputable brands out there?

For the Land Cruiser applications (UZJ100 in the US market), 1998-2005 should be identical as far as a push bar goes.
 
grill guard/bull bar

That's what I thought the Lexus 470 having the same chasis with the LC 100 series, but the guy from WAAG told me no so.
I finally found Black Horse makes both grill guard and bull bar.
Now I just need some help which of the two I should get? I'm mainly looking for front end protection in case of a front end collision. Also will mounting either of these devices messing with the sensors for airbags?
 
To the best of my knowledge the front airbag sensor does not react to a collision but to a drastic reduction in speed. It's a speed sensor instead of a crumple sensor. So modifying a bumper should not affect your airbags from working. (Once again to the best of my knowledge, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Those police style bumpers really only offer protection at very low speeds. They are designed for a police vehicle to nudge another vehicle at 2-3mph. In the event of a collision those grill guards can often cause more damage than they would protect. They are often called damage multipiliers. If you want real protection go with a full steel ARB or TJM bumper.
 
I happened to see this in a parking lot the other day. Not a Land Cruiser but you get the idea...

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I happened to see this in a parking lot the other day. Not a Land Cruiser but you get the idea... [/QUOTE
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To the best of my knowledge the front airbag sensor does not react to a collision but to a drastic reduction in speed. It's a speed sensor instead of a crumple sensor. So modifying a bumper should not affect your airbags from working. (Once again to the best of my knowledge, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Those police style bumpers really only offer protection at very low speeds. They are designed for a police vehicle to nudge another vehicle at 2-3mph. In the event of a collision those grill guards can often cause more damage than they would protect. They are often called damage multipiliers. If you want real protection go with a full steel ARB or TJM bumper.

It is unsafe to make assumptions about airbag sensors.

My understanding is that early model 100s had mechanical sensors (consisting of moving and stationary contact points) while newer models had the electrical (deceleration sensor) type that you presumably are referring to.

Yes, removing a crumple zone (taking off the bumper assembly and putting on a non-airbag compatible bar) will not stop your airbags working. It will however, eliminate the crumple zone that absorbs a lot of force in low speed crashes that decreases the rate of deceleration of itself. Hence reducing the rate of deceleration in a vehicle with a crumple zone -> avoids some airbag activations (well designed bars have crumple zones and usually spring steel absorption design that "bounces back"), but in a vehicle without a crumple zone no absoption -> higher decel -> lotsa $$$ in new airbag(s). It makes properly designed bars seem cheap (and they well have avoided all cost from the impact at all - except for the life of the kangaroo, deer or repairs to the Prius).

Here in Aus technically you are meant to replace factory bars with bars tested with airbags including low speed tests that do not trigger the airbags.

Cheers,
Andrew.
 
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It is unsafe to make assumptions about airbag sensors.

My understanding is that early model 100s had mechanical sensors (consisting of moving and stationary contact points) while newer models had the electrical (deceleration sensor) type that you presumably are referring to.

Yes, removing a crumple zone (taking off the bumper assembly and putting on a non-airbag compatible bar) will not stop your airbags working. It will however, eliminate the crumple zone that absorbs a lot of force in low speed crashes that decreases the rate of deceleration of itself. Hence reducing the rate of deceleration in a vehicle with a crumple zone -> avoids some airbag activations (well designed bars have crumple zones and usually spring steel absorption design that "bounces back"), but in a vehicle without a crumple zone no absoption -> higher decel -> lotsa $$$ in new airbag(s). It makes properly designed bars seem cheap (and they well have avoided all cost from the impact at all - except for the life of the kangaroo, deer or repairs to the Prius).

Here in Aus technically you are meant to replace factory bars with bars tested with airbags including low speed tests that do not trigger the airbags.

Cheers,
Andrew.

Agree. You are not removing a moderate or high speed crumple zone by removing the tupperware and the styrofoam support underneath it. You are removing the low-speed plastic designed for deflection in parking lots, etc, to keep insurance replacement costs low compared to the old-school steel bumpers that used to come on cars and trucks. However, I have NEVER heard of a "premature" airbag deployment that may have been contributed to by a non "airbag compliant" steel bumper. It's possible, but I've never read about one instance of this on a UZJ100. By having "crumple zones" in a steel bumper, all you're doing is making the bumper somewhat sacrificial to the frame and sheet metal. I have personally had an automobile accident, LOW SPEED, with an ARB Sahara on a 1999 4Runner. The sahara was toast. The ranger I hit pushed the bed into the cab by about 1-2 inches and the back window was shattered. This was from a 15-MPH impact at most. Air bags did not deploy. However the $1500 bumper was toast. The impact was with the sheet metal bed of the Ford Ranger, and was mostly spread across the face of the Sahara. I would say that the Sahara's performance in that instance was unacceptable, mostly due to deflection outward of the frame rails, which was due to the fact that it does not have a substantial hoop system.

By replacing the plastic facia with a steel bumper, what you do is then provide a piece of hardware that simply spreads the load across BOTH frame rails. With the OEM design, if you get an offset hit, it will crush one frame rail and not spread the load to the other rail. With an offroad steel bumper, now you have something that will spread that load, and essentially it will increase the effective strength of the crumple zone for an offset hit, but it will be exactly the same for a head-on hit. You do not impact the overall safety by adding a bumper. You most-likely improve it because the loads can be more distributed in an offset impact, reducing the likelyhood of passenger compartment intrusion by the front wheel on the side that's hit.

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http://rightcar.govt.nz/ancap-test-result.html?q=151

2004 Land Cruiser

... Frontal offset crash test

Body region scores out of 4 points each: Head/neck 4pts, chest 2.9pts, upper legs 2pts, lower legs zero pts. The passenger compartment held its shape well, except for the footwell . The road wheel moved rearwards substantially and intruded into the driver's footwell, which ruptured. ...


The UZJ100 does very well in crash tests EXCEPT for the front wheels encroaching into the passenger compartment.

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Using a steel bumper to help spread any impact loads directly into the frame rail will help to prevent loading to the front wheel assemblies. Doing so will help to prevent rearward intrusion into the passenger compartment, which will dramatically improve the passenger sustainability, in my opinion.

Sometimes crumple zones work (full frontal impact) and sometimes they can contribute to your injuries (offset impact).

Check out this offset impact on a RAV-4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jRo-ZO8eXo8

Here's the results of an offset impact in a UZJ at high speed:

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They do look nice, but in addition to all the reasons above, it also drastically reduces approach. Last week in the Swell we were on a trail that had a steep cut bank. Heading up the other side of the bank a bar on the front would have certainly dragged and probably would have prevented us from going up it.

Found a pic of a Black Horse on a 200.

 
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