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During the Harvest Festival in early October a bunch of us were taking a break and the Director, Rick, came by. We were talking about how we have this modern New Holland tractor doing wagon rides and how cool it would be if we could acquire an old time tractor. To our surprise Rick said no problem. No arm twisting or anything. So Linda, my Assist. Curator for the Farm, and I set out on a search for a worthy acquisition. It didn't take long. There was a woman in Aztec with three tractors. Her late husband collected such things and she now wanted them gone. Email and phone calls back and forth for two weeks.

The three tractors were: 1943 John Deere B (Johnny Popper, or Poppin Johnny), a 1939 IH Farmall M, and a 1939 IH Farmall H. She sent us pictures. My first choice, being the practical guy, was the Farmall H because I knew it would fit on the trailer. The Farmall M was too wide by an inch. The H was also in better shape. Linda wanted the Farmall M because it was a stronger tractor. I also considered the JD because of it's Poppin nostalgia.

The lady selling the tractors told us they ran. Today, Linda, David (Master Farmer), and I drove up to Aztec with a check in hand. The three of us were anxious. Before driving up there we told her they had to run, and we needed to be able to load them under their own power. We were not sure.

We arrive, and things are not good. The lady, with a friend, couldn't get them running. Now I like a challenge, so to work we go. How difficult could 70 year old technology be, right?

First, the Farmall M. It's rough, but not too bad. Electric start. Tires are shot. David and I look it over and find a loose wire. Ummmm. David sees that the on/off switch is missing a wire. YES! We hook up the wire and flip the switch. I walk over to the starter and just before I hit the switch the tractor starts smoking. I walk around to the "fire" and there is a wire hanging down on the engine, the other end with a clamp to ground. I disconnect. Wander back to the starter, push the button and I'll be a SOB if the dang thing roared to life on the first crank. I was shocked. The seller was shocked. We let it purr for awhile and then went to the next tractor.

The Farmall H was sort of restored and in reasonable condition for a 70 year old machine. It also has four brand new tires. The wires to the starter button were cut, and the wires to the on/off switch were cut. WTF. The seller tells us the magneto is grounded and it should start. Problem. No battery. It does appear to have a starter motor, an option in 1939, but nothing is hooked up. So how? The crank on the front of course. I crank, crank, crank. David cranks, cranks, cranks. Nothing. It has fuel as it's pouring out of the carburetor. The seller asks us if we want the ether. SURE. I pull off the air cleaner and she gives it a squirt. I crank ... and it not only fires, it runs. I was so surprised I dropped back about three steps hooping and hollering.

David takes it for a putt. Then I take it for a putt, and back it up onto the trailer. It's MINE! Linda takes care of business while David and I secure this beast.

Worthless without pics? Not hardly. Enjoy.
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Worthless without pics? Not hardly. Enjoy.

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Nice story, but:

1- It didn't happen without pics, and

2- You might give one of the guys a chubby seeing the old iron.

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Ummm, I see it in both posts. Let me try something else.
 
Cool; I love old internal-combustion engines of all sorts.
 
growning up, my dad had an old '49 tractor (I think a Ford) and then picked up a '43 Ferguson with a front loader that had lived it's entire life underground in a private mine in Az.
this thread reminds me of my childhood. :D

oh, and congrats Jon!
 
I vote for the John Deere and the chick.

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-Mike-
 
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I vote for the John Deere and the chick.

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-Mike-

The JD was very rough and I doubt we could have made it run with the limited time we had. It had a 2 cylinder engine, and a flywheel start vs. the 4 cylinder electric/crank start engine of the Farmalls. The JD was not a user friendy tractor. Once we had the "H" running it was a done deal.

The lady is not available.
 
"Nothing runs like a Deere."

-Mike-
 
The lady is not available.

Pity. Wranglers, ropers, and a Carhart jacket. That's a nice package right there. :D

-Mike-
 
Pity. Wranglers, ropers, and a Carhart jacket. That's a nice package right there. :D

-Mike-

Yes, yes she is. She is also about as old as you. :grinpimp:
 
I went out this morning for a few more pics. 1939 was the first year for the Farmall H. The starting serial number was 501.

The bug jar is a Mason jar. Updraft carburator.
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Magneto instead of dizzy + coil + battery. Kewl.

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-Mike-
 
Magneto instead of dizzy + coil + battery. Kewl.

-Mike-

Yep, specifically an H4 magneto.

It does have an electric starter, but no battery, alternator, or generator. I'm going to try and get the electric starter going for general use, but we will crank start for events.

We have a guy coming by on Sunday who knows old tractors. I want to have a knowledgeable person do a walk around with us. I'm also hoping he can fix the two fuel leaks.
 
A tractor that old wouldn't have an alternator and you'd have to hack up stuff to retrofit. Best to do without or get the generator rebuilt or find one for that engine. It is more than likely a 6V positive ground system so watch what the guys try before you get the specs on it.

Did it have a PTO system?

From looking at it, that seat looks like a death-trap. Any way to rig up a kill switch in case that little seat spring breaks and dumps the driver over the back end? Otherwise, those fall hay rides might get exciting. :D

-Mike-
 
A tractor that old wouldn't have an alternator and you'd have to hack up stuff to retrofit. Best to do without or get the generator rebuilt or find one for that engine. It is more than likely a 6V positive ground system so watch what the guys try before you get the specs on it.

Did it have a PTO system?

From looking at it, that seat looks like a death-trap. Any way to rig up a kill switch in case that little seat spring breaks and dumps the driver over the back end? Otherwise, those fall hay rides might get exciting. :D

-Mike-


Yep, 6V positive ground.
We have been warned about the spring and it's been suggested we replace it as PM.
If it has a generator I can't find it. It currently doesn't have a battery.
We are keeping it original. So no hacking the hood to fit an alternator.
Only 10062 "H" were built in 1939, which was the first year of production. Our serial number is 4380 (numbering started with 501) so this was number 3879 off the line. It would be a shame to hack up/modify this tractor considering it's intended purpose.
Yes, PTO, but we can't get it to disengage. I found a cover for it online. I'm hoping to get the blessing to order on Monday.
 

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