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remember that Mobil filter that failed me?

On a side note I have ran just about everything........and I can tell you minus fram must of the stuff is about the same.


Now that I am werking as a parts geek I see it all the time......freight... the s*** on the truck and at the warehouse gets throwing around but I still dont like fram. I have never heard any complaints about Ford filters. You guys heard any?
Mace said:
Lots of people keep saying that. But I have yet to see one shread of proof.

One of these days, I'll start cutting filters apart..
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steamyT said:
So do most people think WIX is better than the big Toyota filter?
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Not sure if i would step out on a limb and say its "better", but i would say that the WIX filters are some of the best in the industry. never heard of a problem stemming from use of a WIX.

i think a lot of people are getting caught up on the size of the filter, feeling that bigger is better. as you can see in Spike's picture, the WIX is far larger than the "Big" Toyota. In fact, if you go to napa and say: "i need a filter for a Land Cruiser, 2F engine, the WIX filter they will sell you (NAPA GOLD) is larger than the toyota filter in both diameter and length. A bigger filter may be beneficial, due to the increased quantity of filter media within the canister, so there may be some merit to the "bigger is better" feelings on the board.

if you want the biggest, go WIX.

if you want the highest quality construction and filter media, go Purolator PureONE.

some info:

PureONE Oil Filters
 
I tried bigger on my mini and I lost oil pressure.........like 20 pounds worth. I agree bigger is not always better.

however there is a nice dual filteration out there for the 60 series. I have often wondered if I could get one for my runner or not?
Miloslavich said:
Not sure if i would step out on a limb and say its "better", but i would say that the WIX filters are some of the best in the industry. never heard of a problem stemming from use of a WIX.

i think a lot of people are getting caught up on the size of the filter, feeling that bigger is better. as you can see in Spike's picture, the WIX is far larger than the "Big" Toyota. In fact, if you go to napa and say: "i need a filter for a Land Cruiser, 2F engine, the WIX filter they will sell you (NAPA GOLD) is larger than the toyota filter in both diameter and length. A bigger filter may be beneficial, due to the increased quantity of filter media within the canister, so there may be some merit to the "bigger is better" feelings on the board.

if you want the biggest, go WIX.

if you want the highest quality construction and filter media, go Purolator PureONE.

some info:

PureONE Oil Filters
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OH, and the correct Purolator filter # for the 2F, 3B, and 2H engines is: PL30001.

type that into Amazon, and you'll see that they are available for 11.79 for a pack of TWO filters.

or you can just click here: Amazon.com: Purolator PL30001 PureONE Oil Filter (Pack of 2): Automotive

best filter on the market and the price is untouchable.

(im not affiliated with Purolator or Amazon in any way- i've just done my homework and im a happy customer) :grinpimp:
 
With the big wix, my OP stayed the same. Well, best I can tell on that super-accurate gauge in the FJ60. :rolleyes:

But it stays solid at the 3/4 + area.


:meh:

These oil filter and oil discussions always get fawking crazy. There is no "best" for a 2F. A lot of these engines have gone 25 years prolly using FRAM the whole time.

Any filter and a diesel-rated dino oil and you're good to go.

IMO - syn oil is a waste of money on these engines, but it's your money. I'd rather just change if every few months - unless it's your DD and you want extended drain intervals.

Now I've got to go play with my dipstick, Jimmy !!
 
Miloslavich said:
OH, and the correct Purolator filter # for the 2F, 3B, and 2H engines is: PL30001.

type that into Amazon, and you'll see that they are available for 11.79 for a pack of TWO filters.

or you can just click here: Amazon.com: Purolator PL30001 PureONE Oil Filter (Pack of 2): Automotive

best filter on the market and the price is untouchable.

(im not affiliated with Purolator or Amazon in any way- i've just done my homework and im a happy customer) :grinpimp:
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Not a bad price.
 
So I don't mean to hijack and turn into a oil thread (maybe I should start a different thread) but what are some opinions on LucasOil? I used 25% Lucas Oil in one of my old Mazdas that made it over 200k before the transmission died and I sold it. Engine still seemed strong (well... strong for a gutless 1.5L).
 
cruiser88 said:
I tried bigger on my mini and I lost oil pressure.........like 20 pounds worth. I agree bigger is not always better.

however there is a nice dual filteration out there for the 60 series. I have often wondered if I could get one for my runner or not?
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Keep in mind that pressure is the resistance to flow, not the presence of flow. Hydro-dynamic bearings need both. Flow because they intentionally leak (for good reasons). Pressure because that basically supports the load.

Where is the pressure sender located within the oil galley system? That will tell you a lot. A partially plugged filter will INCREASE the oil pressure (assuming no by-pass internal to the filter, which they do usually have) between the pump and the filter because it increases the flow resistance and at the same time reduces the flow to the bearings.

If the oil pressure sender is between the filter and the pump (usually the case), rather than between the filter and the bearings, then a drop in pressure is very likely an increase in flow of oil to the bearings.

The term used is "pressure drop", it is how much pressure is lost through any particular part of the flow path. Pressure is the highest at the pump exit and it is reduced by every corner, every long straight run, the filter, etc., etc., etc. until it drips into the pan at zero pressure. (This is the same as the voltage drops in an electrical circuit.) An oil filter with a low pressure drop is a good thing - more oil flow to the bearings! If the oil pressure sensor is located between the pump and the filter then it will show a drop in pressure. However, if you also had a second oil pressure sensor just before the bearings it would either show no pressure drop and possibly a small increase in pressure.
 
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I have one of the resin Toyota filters cut open. I'll try and find the pics, or I'll just pull it out and take more. This filter was the mini-truck equal to the 90915-20004 resin filter used on LCs and V8s. I use the -20004 on my 2FE.
 
I never thought of it that way..........I always assumed higher pressure means a better filter.I admit mine is not a 60.......a mini but the consept is the same I am sure
ntsqd said:
Keep in mind that pressure is the resistance to flow, not the presence of flow. Hydro-dynamic bearings need both. Flow because they intentionally leak (for good reasons). Pressure because that basically supports the load.

Where is the pressure sender located within the oil galley system? That will tell you a lot. A partially plugged filter will INCREASE the oil pressure (assuming no by-pass internal to the filter, which they do usually have) between the pump and the filter because it increases the flow resistance and at the same time reduce the flow through the bearings.

If the oil pressure sender is between the filter and the pump (usually the case), rather than between the filter and the bearings, then a drop in pressure is very likely an increase in flow of oil to the bearings.

The term used is "pressure drop", it is how much pressure is lost through any particular part of the flow path. It is the same as the voltage drop across an item in an electrical circuit. An oil filter with a low pressure drop is a good thing - more oil flow! If the oil pressure sensor is located between the pump and the filter then it will show a drop in pressure. However, if you also had a second oil pressure sensor just before the bearings it would either show no pressure drop and possibly a small increase in pressure.
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pappy said:
I have one of the resin Toyota filters cut open. I'll try and find the pics, or I'll just pull it out and take more. This filter was the mini-truck equal to the 90915-20004 resin filter used on LCs and V8s. I use the -20004 on my 2FE.
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What is interesting is that the 15600-41010 filter is still made in Japanm while the filters for the newer Toyota's are made in the US. I wonder if they are made by WIX or a company like that.


Zack
 
I'm not sure they are made in the US anymore. Historically some of them were, and the filters appeared to be Purolator products. The filters I've seen of late were made in Taiwan, IIRC. The 90915-20004 and the 90915-YZZB5 pictured were both stamped made in Japan. They are resin element filters.
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Just to keep this one going, do any of you have anything to say about the K&N oil filters? They seem solid, and I've heard good things about them, but since there are some actual informed opinion on this particular thread, I'd like to hear your comments. Thanks.
 
Lugal said:
Just to keep this one going, do any of you have anything to say about the K&N oil filters? They seem solid, and I've heard good things about them, but since there are some actual informed opinion on this particular thread, I'd like to hear your comments. Thanks.
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From what I understand, they are expensive Purolators.

Let me go find that refrence.
 
i saw a cut open comparison that showed the Puralator Pure One (top of the line they make) was quite different than the K&N.

the K&N being a smaller media element, and different anti flow back valves / materials.

ah dang it .. now i gotta go find that.
 
Alright found it. This is a directory of many different types of filters per brand,

including:

Subaru OEM
Purolator PureONE
Purolator Premium Plus
ProLine
TotalGrip (Advance Auto)
MotorCraft
K&N
Mobil 1
STP
SuperTech
WIX
NAPA Gold
FRAM Extra Guard
FRAM Tough Guard


The directory includes disection pictures for each filter, step by step.

you can compare yourself.

www.bescaredracing.com - /sti/oil/filters/

the filter size is for Subaru STi's but the construction materials remain the same regardless of filter size. (Land Crusier filters are simply larger)

take a look a the construction and see for yourself who you'd choose.
 
Miloslavich said:
take a look a the construction and see for yourself who you'd choose.
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Awesome find. Too many pictures to go through them all, and it'd be nice to have some stats to go along w/ them, but from the looks of it, Fram is teh suck, K&N and Mobil1 are mostly the same, Napa and Wix are the same, and Purolator is its own beast.

Are you sure that you're not getting a kickback from Purolator? Because I think you just sold me on them.
 
hahah Lugal.. i wish i was :) i just have done my homework and its simply the best filter you can find.. OEM is good stuff tho, Purolator's best filter can be had for cheaper and is one hell of a filter.

There are specs for each filter, if you click on that link and then open the spreadsheet labled "sti_oil_filters.xls"
 
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