Oil Filter Size Questions?????

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Went to my Toyota dealer today and picked up a OEM oil filter for my 96 LX450.
My question is why are there 2 sizes of filters for the same vehicle? The parts guy wasn't quite sure himself - he gave me the big filter which he said would have better filtering properties. Is bigger really better?? (oil filters that is!!)
thanx - Tim
 
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Of the 2 filters currently available, I currently use the larger one. The one built in Japan as opposed to the one built in Thailand. The "good" small filter (part number ending in "20004") is no longer available on the open market.
 
As I change my oil every 3000-4000 miles surely the Napa Gold small equivalent is good enough. No?
 
Cruiser Dan recommended the large one for my 97 LX450. Thats good enough for me!
 
I use the large one, and so far no problems (start up rattle). I have a '97 with 122,000 miles on it. I am going to put a remote filter adapter on it though...just to get it vertical and a little easier to get to.

I found a 90 deg. billet adapter from L&L with stainless steel fittings, braided stainless lines and a billet cannister (accepts the large filter). Definitely should not leak.

Tired of having oil drip down my arm and onto the front axle....(just not necessary). I'm not one that minds getting dirty, but...."Mr. T" could have done better with the filter location IMO.
 
Usually all other things being equal a larger filter is slightly better for a few reasons,

Larger total oil capacity, witch slows oil degradation. A larger filter usually has more square inches of filtering media. this has less resistance to the flow of oil expressed as lower differential pressure across the filter that will allow slightly more oil pressure and flow to the engine, this allows the filter bypass valve to remain closed more often, this also slows the velocity and differential pressure of oil as it passes through the media giving the media a better chance of catching small particles. Also the larger filter will hold more contaminates or hold the same amount of contaminants with less clogging of the media.

But for some reason Toyota mounted the filter horizontally instead of the more common vertical, the filter can now drain and be as little as 1/3 full of oil on startup. This adds time for oil pressure to come up, the larger the capacity of the filter the longer the time. For some people increases start up rattle. This also plays hell with reading the dip stick and the reason Toyota says to check it shortly after shutdown.

Also the depth filtering media only came in the 20004 filter witch is a small filter, this is not a factor for current purchases.

The reason for the two sizes is the early 1FZ’s came with the large filter that came on all cruiser before it. In mid 1FZ production they switched to the smaller filter. The larger filter is the Fram PH8A size (never use Fram, cross reference use only) with is very common on Ford and Mopar V8’s,

If you don’t have any 20004’s left and don’t have start up rattle problems run the larger filter. I would consider OEM, Wix, Puralator pure one, or Mobil 1 oil filters.

If you have rattle try the small filter if it helps go with it. If you change your oil when you should most of the benefits of the larger filter have no effect, the reasons that remain are slight.

Flintknapper, got a link to that 90° adapter? I not sure I like the possible restriction of a remote filter but one that is just turned 90° at the same location with well designed free flow short lines should not make much of a difference.


I still have 2 unopened cases of 20004's :grinpimp:
 
I have the start up rattle, and I have just phoned the local Toyota dealership and the have in stock the 20004 filter, I will purchase one of these smaller filters and see if it makes any difference to the rattle, I will keep you informed.
 
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I have the start up rattle, and I have just phoned the local Toyota dealership and the have in stock the 20004 filter, I will purchase one of these smaller filters and see if it makes any difference to the rattle, I will keep you informed.

If that local Toy dealer still stock the 20004, then don't just by one but buy them all if you can afford them. Are you sure they are 20004 not the one made in Thailand? Go to the dealer and check them out first.
 
I have not had time to get to dealer and will be going mon morning. what length is the small one? compared to large one.
 
What's Wrong With Fram Oil Filters?
 
lt403 said:
What's Wrong With Fram Oil Filters?


cheap construction and less filter media for a higher price than than bette rmade filters.
 
Worth the money to do.....

lt403 said:
What's Wrong With Fram Oil Filters?

Take any "unused" fram filter and cut it open. Compare it to any other "good" filter and you'll see whats wrong with them.

Seriously, I'm surprised the element doesn't fall apart and clog up the filter before the next oil change. Take a look inside one and I think you'll find yourself saying the same thing I did (10 yrs. ago): OMG thats a piece of crap!
 
flintknapper said:
Seriously, I'm surprised the element doesn't fall apart


some people say they do on extended drains,, I have not seen this personally but several years ago I saw the inside of a Fram I stopped using them so I have not seen the insides of many.

I bought a filter cutter (works similar to a pipe cutter) and so far have not seen any failures in the "good" filters I have selected,


I have seen one problem though, I ordered some "20004" Nippon filters off E-Bay hoping they may have the same depth filtering media as the Toyota ones, unfortunately they just have regular media. So I am using them for these short, ARx cycles, they seam well built but not as good as the old Japanese made Toyota filters, the problem is the anti drain back valve goes over center and snaps against the media preventing it from closing on shutdown, of all the features of a filter the ADBV probably is the least important. Especially since oil can drain out the inlet anyway. They will work for these 1500-2000 mile OCI’s.
 

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