Oct club trip

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since this is generating some discussion (as it should), here is a thread dedicated to it.

we are looking at Sedona/ Northern Az, Prescott Az, Toroweep area Az so far.
 
AZ Trip Info

All right, here's some info from the Charles Wells book - it's called the Guide to AZ Backroads and 4-Wheel Drive Trails.

We had talked about the Flagstaff and Sedona areas at the August meeting. There are a lot of good possibilities for trails (see below).

The Toroweap Overlook (north rim of the Grand Canyon) was also mentioned. Toroweap sounds fantastic in the book, but it may be more driving than most of us would like for a weekend trip, even a slightly extended weekend trip (the book points out that it's only 10 miles from the south rim to the north rim, but getting to the north rim adds 215 miles of driving!). If you came in through I-40 to Flafstaff, you have to go north almost to Utah to get to the north rim.

If some folks were planning to go up as early as Thursday and stay until Monday, that could probably work, but that would also rule out folks who can only make it for the weekend. So I think Toroweap would be a good trip at some point, but maybe not the best for this one. But I'm not in charge here - those are just my thoughts. Please discuss. It could also be possible to have two groups. If some folks are set on Toroweap, they could go there and another group could look at the Flagstaff/Sedona area. I am leaning towards Flag/Sedona. Some info on Flagstaff and Sedona areas follow.

There are four trails north of Flagstaff, 3 easy and one difficult. The difficult is Cinder Hills OHC area, and that could be worth exploring. Even though it says difficult, it's a dedicated OHV area with lots of options from easy to hard. Very large - 13,500 acres, so it could be explored for quite a while. I think the "easy" options in this book are roughly equivalent to forest roads.

There are more options near Sedona. The book shows nine trails, with a good distribution of easy, moderate, and hard trails. Given that Sedona is just south of Flagstaff (not sure how far, maybe 50 - 60 miles?), maybe we could look at making Sedona a base camp, and we could always look at a day trip to the Flagstaff area if we wanted to try out the Cinder Hills area.

If we do decide to wheel in the Sedona area, we would need to buy a "Red Rocks Pass" fo access to the trails. According to the book, this costs $5 a day or $15 for a week. These prices may also have gone up since the book was published in 2001.

I'm happy to answer any specific questions that may be in the book. With that, I will close and let the discussion begin. Should be a fun trip!
 
in college, I went to the cinder hills area. of course it was at night for a bonfire with kegs involved and I wasn't driving. are there actually obstacles there? I was under the impression that it was mostly hill climbs like the sandy ones in the puerco.

Evan, what were the "difficult" trails in Sedona called. I believe it's usually is Broken Arrow and Soldier's Pass, which are definitely easy for our group, even the stockers. that is fine as it would be a very stock friendly trip. interesting fact, broken arrow is the main reason I ended up with my FJ40.

in the camp verde area there are some 4+ level trails, which isn't too far away, for maybe 1 hard run. it is an hour or so south of Sedona. that may be too far, but is an option.
 
in college, I went to the cinder hills area. are there actually obstacles there? I was under the impression that it was mostly hill climbs like the sandy ones in the puerco.

Evan, what were the "difficult" trails in Sedona called. I believe it's usually is Broken Arrow and Soldier's Pass, which are definitely easy for our group, even the stockers. that is fine as it would be a very stock friendly trip.

Good question on Cinder Hills. The book says, "Easy to difficult. Easy rolling hills to steep climbs. Loose, gravelly ash is soft like sand and can quickly overheat engines. The route described in the book is just a small sample of this 13,500 acre area of volcanic cinder cones, craters and pine forest." So it's not really clear whether there are obstacles or not.

Regarding the difficult trails in the Sedona area, the book lists Soldier Pass, Greasy Spoon, Broken Arrow and Smiley Rock. Regarding Soldier Pass, the book says "many stock high-clearance vehicles can make it." For Greasy Spoon, "Suitable for many stock high-clearance SUVs when dry." Similar comments for Broken Arrow. Smiley Rock says, "Skid plates and good articulation are recommended."

I agree with Shawn that this should be a stocker friendly trip in this part of the state. The few really hard core trails are located elsewhere in the state, and he makes a point of advertising where lift, lockers, winch, etc. are recommended.

I can't make it to the September meeting, but I am happy to pass along the book to someone that is planning to attend.
 
I have a friend who has ridden ATVs twice at Cinder Cone, AZ during the past year. That territory is good for really fast lightweight vehicles, and even those vehicles don't perform their best at Cinder Cone without paddle tires.
 
I spent 7 days at Toroweap (Tuweep) Overlook and in the surrounding BLM land just outside the park and up into Vermillion Cliffs this Spring,. To me, this is definitely not a weekend trip, too much driving. But most of you are younger than I am :). Toroweap for me is a photo and hiking trip mainly. I wouldn't consider it wheeling in any way. It's a fabulous place, on the end of 61 miles of dusty, but well maintained dirt road that can be reached by any stock SUV. I did some of it at 50 mph. A few rocks in the last few miles, but nothing we'd see as difficult in any way. The campground is all on rock and there are a couple of group spots, all are first come first serve so it can possibly be a long drive for disappointment. And your dog ain't welcome on any of it's trails. Awesome place though.
 
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I think we are definitely leaning toward Sedona for now. who is planning on coming? if there's plenty of stock trucks, then I think it will be perfect.
 
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I am planning on going on the October trip.
-Mike-
 
Ellen and I are planning on going, and have actually made some arrangements for lodging. Since Ellen is going along and she doesn't plan on wheeling every day, we wanted to find someplace in Sedona so she could walk to surrounding amenities and be able to work on her computer. Sedona hotels are pricey, so we decided on an RV park in town with Wifi for her computer. I realize that others may not be interested in "camping" right in town, but I think this will work for our needs and I'm happy to meet up with others wherever the group is.

We are planning on heading to Sedona the afternoon of Thursday 10/6, and I plan to wheel and explore on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, then head back early Monday 10/10. We will be dragging the tent trailer over and staying at Rancho Sedona RV Park, 135 Bear Wallow Lane, Sedona Arizona RV Parks and Sedona Resorts and Sedona Accommodations - Rancho Sedona RV Park., and 1-888-641-4261. The website is pretty informative, but you have to call on the phone from 9:00 to 5:00 to make reservations. We will be in spot #32, and they said that they have other spots open. I asked about tents, and they said that no tents are allowed in the city limits of Sedona, so this is more of an RV park (trailers, motor homes, fifth wheels), but tent trailers like ours are OK as well.

I'm looking forward to exploring this area. The Red Rock pictures that I have seen are very similar to Moab.
 
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Just as an FYI for your run: If you can use portions of the General Crook Trail/Mogollon Rim Trail in Arizona its a beautiful scenic gravel/dirt trail drive. And great camping opportunities under long needle pine trees along the way too! And many, many elk in and along this area too.

Although not technical in any sense of the word if its been raining the mud can make up for any lack of technical terrain ;)

Just a thought for you guys!
 
Linda and I will go.
 
pretty sure we are in. looking forward to it. we spent xmas there a while back and explored on quads a little. looking forward to a cruiser trip.
 
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I'd like to go not sure if I can swing it, might have to go Friday thru Sunday. Are the plans to be based out of Sedona and take short trips?
 
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I made reservations at Rancho Sedona RV Park arriving on Wednesday 10/5 and leaving on Monday. I'll see you there.:)
 
I can't make the fall trip this year.
-Mike-
 
jen has some work travel that just popped up. we are uncertain for attendance.

i did find this while poking around a little re: camping.

Red Rock Country - Camping
 
I'd like to go not sure if I can swing it, might have to go Friday thru Sunday. Are the plans to be based out of Sedona and take short trips?

Steve - so far, this trip is pretty free-form, and I think it's up to those of us who are able to go to make the plans. I would agree with your assessment. I am planning to be based in Sedona and do short day trips from there. If you can do Friday to Sunday, come on over and have some fun.

I plan to send some messages to some of the AZ Cruiser clubs and see if there are trails in the Sedona area that they would recommend, and also check with them and see if anybody is interested in joining us on the trails. I know it's last minute, but I haven't had time to get around to it yet. I hope you can join us.
 
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How about a head count? So far, it sounds like Ellen and I, OsoCruiser and Linda, Jericho and Crystal, and a maybe for Lurch and for the Franklin family (sl33p3). Anyone else?
 

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