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Fire officials say the fire was started early Sunday morning by a couple of lost hikers. One of them reportedly started a signal fire that grew out of control and has now become a full blown wildfire.
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"Fire officials say the fire was started early Sunday morning by a couple of lost hikers. One of them reportedly started a signal fire that grew out of control and has now become a full blown wildfire."
Isn't that how the Rodeo-Chediski Fire started...Who are these people???
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Isn't that how the Rodeo-Chediski Fire started...Who are these people???
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There's really good fudge in Summerhaven on Mt. Lemmon down here in Tucson. Mt. Lemmon likes to be on fire too, so...get it while it's not hot!
Looks like the town made it
MyFox Phoenix | Wind shift pushes wildfire away from Crown King
MyFox Phoenix | Wind shift pushes wildfire away from Crown King
(Quote Brittan) Isn't that how the Rodeo-Chediski Fire started...Who are these people???
They are idiots who come from a place where a "wilderness" is something in a fantasy novel or movie. They think that Arizona is some kind of park!
Many of them come from the East or Left coasts, where everything is neatly civilized, and every stupid act is covered. Cel coverage is assumed to be universal, and emergency services are everywhere. Some are just young and foolish. They simply do not understand that there are still wild places in the US.
Somehow, we need to help them to understand that a wilderness is a real place where cel phones do not work! There is not a call box every 100 yards. This is NOT a park!
If you get into trouble out there, you are on your own. A wilderness is a place where you can die if you are an idiot! Why is that so hard to understand?
Some years ago there was a regular column in the paper that was mostly written by readers. News shows also showed segments in a similar vein. They were all about travel, hiking or even a Sunday stroll in remote areas. They talked about a lot of things, from trail manners to survival; avoiding snakes and large cats and wolves, and all kinds of things. Simple rules were well-known, such as; the less capable vehicle or the one going uphill always has the right of way. (LC's rarely get the right of way on mountain trails. We have to mind our manners!)
We are in an information society, yet there is far less information in the media about how to behave in the wilderness than there was here when we had fewer residents. There is something wrong with that!
Maybe some think that in our cities with malls, restaurants, bars and parks, we are too civilized to need these articles and news segments. But these idiot-caused fires prove that to be dead wrong! There is still a wilderness out there and most of us do not want it tamed. That wilderness is the antidote to paying the mortgage, and we are lucky to have it. Much of our nation lacks any kind of real wilderness.
These idiots are the ones who may lead the charge to tame the wild lands, and we cannot allow it to happen.
Is there anyone in our group who knows a newsie? Can we submit articles about backwoods behavior? It would be a great public service.
They are idiots who come from a place where a "wilderness" is something in a fantasy novel or movie. They think that Arizona is some kind of park!
Many of them come from the East or Left coasts, where everything is neatly civilized, and every stupid act is covered. Cel coverage is assumed to be universal, and emergency services are everywhere. Some are just young and foolish. They simply do not understand that there are still wild places in the US.
Somehow, we need to help them to understand that a wilderness is a real place where cel phones do not work! There is not a call box every 100 yards. This is NOT a park!
If you get into trouble out there, you are on your own. A wilderness is a place where you can die if you are an idiot! Why is that so hard to understand?
Some years ago there was a regular column in the paper that was mostly written by readers. News shows also showed segments in a similar vein. They were all about travel, hiking or even a Sunday stroll in remote areas. They talked about a lot of things, from trail manners to survival; avoiding snakes and large cats and wolves, and all kinds of things. Simple rules were well-known, such as; the less capable vehicle or the one going uphill always has the right of way. (LC's rarely get the right of way on mountain trails. We have to mind our manners!)
We are in an information society, yet there is far less information in the media about how to behave in the wilderness than there was here when we had fewer residents. There is something wrong with that!
Maybe some think that in our cities with malls, restaurants, bars and parks, we are too civilized to need these articles and news segments. But these idiot-caused fires prove that to be dead wrong! There is still a wilderness out there and most of us do not want it tamed. That wilderness is the antidote to paying the mortgage, and we are lucky to have it. Much of our nation lacks any kind of real wilderness.
These idiots are the ones who may lead the charge to tame the wild lands, and we cannot allow it to happen.
Is there anyone in our group who knows a newsie? Can we submit articles about backwoods behavior? It would be a great public service.
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BTW
To the best of my understanding, the silly chick in heels who started half of the Rodeo-Chedeski fire has been required to pay restitution that will cost more than she can earn in her life. The State has charged her with her full share of the cost of fighting the fire, as well as restitution to those whose homes can be proven to have been lost to her foolishness.
She will have her income encumbered with a regular payment for that silliness, and the destruction that followed, for the rest of her life. The only other option that she has is to assume another identity.
The State of Arizona is no longer playing games with this stuff. We also have a "stupid law" that requires folks to pay all costs of rescue from swollen streams when we try to cross against better judgment. This is as it should be. Those who come here are expected to understand the climate, or pay the consequenses. We are done with paying for them.
The idiots who started this fire may be similar. Reports filtering into Prescott are that they did not make a fire pit to set a signal fire. Instead, they set a brushy area on fire for maximum effect. The hikers have been identified and charged. Maximum effect is just what they achieved, and the maximum penalty is what they are likely to get.
The area that is burning was on the list to be burned (in the rainy season). Burning the area when it is dry has been devastating. The fire has moved from the forest floor to the tree-tops, causing old-growth damage that will last for 50 years. A forest-floor fire is usually beneficial, while a crown-tree fire is highly damaging. The timber crop damage is well into the millions of dollars. Thinning was scheduled in the area, that would have netted the public millions. That is gone along with the natural beauty of the area. I hope that the fools will be charged for the full cost. In the recent climate of attitude, this may happen.
Much of the area between Lynx Lake and Walker was set ablaze by the Forest Service in September to November of 2007. During the fire, most trails were open. I drove and walked there while it burned. It was eery! Now that is some of the most vibrant, beautiful forest in the area.
When an overgrown forest burns in the dry season (now), the damage lasts a generation, not just a year or two. Deliberately starting such a fire is not at all acceptable.
Local papers said today that the identities of those hikers had been released. The media was abnormally restrained. If the media was to release the identities, and Crown King was lost, the lynch mobs would not be far behind. There would be a great deal of anger at the loss of a place like Crown King to the foolishness of an idiot!
I would like to suggest that we all visit Crown King as soon as possible after it is reopened. They will need the money for the lunch that we will need, and we will have a first-hand view of a damaged forest. Then we should cruise up often to watch the forest regrow. It is interesting to watch a forest overcome a disaster, and the town may need our lunch money. Let's go and give them a bit of support!
To the best of my understanding, the silly chick in heels who started half of the Rodeo-Chedeski fire has been required to pay restitution that will cost more than she can earn in her life. The State has charged her with her full share of the cost of fighting the fire, as well as restitution to those whose homes can be proven to have been lost to her foolishness.
She will have her income encumbered with a regular payment for that silliness, and the destruction that followed, for the rest of her life. The only other option that she has is to assume another identity.
The State of Arizona is no longer playing games with this stuff. We also have a "stupid law" that requires folks to pay all costs of rescue from swollen streams when we try to cross against better judgment. This is as it should be. Those who come here are expected to understand the climate, or pay the consequenses. We are done with paying for them.
The idiots who started this fire may be similar. Reports filtering into Prescott are that they did not make a fire pit to set a signal fire. Instead, they set a brushy area on fire for maximum effect. The hikers have been identified and charged. Maximum effect is just what they achieved, and the maximum penalty is what they are likely to get.
The area that is burning was on the list to be burned (in the rainy season). Burning the area when it is dry has been devastating. The fire has moved from the forest floor to the tree-tops, causing old-growth damage that will last for 50 years. A forest-floor fire is usually beneficial, while a crown-tree fire is highly damaging. The timber crop damage is well into the millions of dollars. Thinning was scheduled in the area, that would have netted the public millions. That is gone along with the natural beauty of the area. I hope that the fools will be charged for the full cost. In the recent climate of attitude, this may happen.
Much of the area between Lynx Lake and Walker was set ablaze by the Forest Service in September to November of 2007. During the fire, most trails were open. I drove and walked there while it burned. It was eery! Now that is some of the most vibrant, beautiful forest in the area.
When an overgrown forest burns in the dry season (now), the damage lasts a generation, not just a year or two. Deliberately starting such a fire is not at all acceptable.
Local papers said today that the identities of those hikers had been released. The media was abnormally restrained. If the media was to release the identities, and Crown King was lost, the lynch mobs would not be far behind. There would be a great deal of anger at the loss of a place like Crown King to the foolishness of an idiot!
I would like to suggest that we all visit Crown King as soon as possible after it is reopened. They will need the money for the lunch that we will need, and we will have a first-hand view of a damaged forest. Then we should cruise up often to watch the forest regrow. It is interesting to watch a forest overcome a disaster, and the town may need our lunch money. Let's go and give them a bit of support!
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The natural conditions in the forest, and our climate, cause fires in season. The "monsoon" begins with some dry storms that produce lightning and wind, but little rain. Brush fires are ignited by lightning in dry timber. Within days, the drenching rains begin, snuffing out the lightning-caused fires. This allows sections of forest to burn, and naturally puts out the fires. This has been the pattern for eons. The forest has thrived on this natural pattern for thousands of years.
Enter human fools.
We build homes in the forest. We suppress all fires to "protect" those homes, encouraging undergrowth. The unnatural undergrowth feeds the fires.
In nature the fire rarely reaches the tops of older trees. The fires burn underbrush, clearing the land of weaker foliage. Mature trees are nurtured by the ashes of smaller plants.
By suppressing all fires, we have allowed the undergrowth to reach heights that threaten the old forest trees. We have changed some of our forest lands from Ponderosa and White Pine to scrub high desert lands. We can already see that a number of areas that once supported pine forests now support only small trees and brush. This needs to stop before all of our forests are gone.
Look at the present Middle East. Both Hebrew and Arabic histories report that in the past, those lands were heavily forested. They are now deserts. There is a reason for this. Both the Hebrews and the Arabs have managed those lands into oblivion. They have refused to allow nature to take its course.
We cannot allow ourselves to make the same mistakes. Our pine forests are too valuable to lose that way. We all need those forests. Nature is the antidote to paychecks and mortgages. Time spent in the real world of trees prolongs life and makes it worth living. We all need that!
Enter human fools.
We build homes in the forest. We suppress all fires to "protect" those homes, encouraging undergrowth. The unnatural undergrowth feeds the fires.
In nature the fire rarely reaches the tops of older trees. The fires burn underbrush, clearing the land of weaker foliage. Mature trees are nurtured by the ashes of smaller plants.
By suppressing all fires, we have allowed the undergrowth to reach heights that threaten the old forest trees. We have changed some of our forest lands from Ponderosa and White Pine to scrub high desert lands. We can already see that a number of areas that once supported pine forests now support only small trees and brush. This needs to stop before all of our forests are gone.
Look at the present Middle East. Both Hebrew and Arabic histories report that in the past, those lands were heavily forested. They are now deserts. There is a reason for this. Both the Hebrews and the Arabs have managed those lands into oblivion. They have refused to allow nature to take its course.
We cannot allow ourselves to make the same mistakes. Our pine forests are too valuable to lose that way. We all need those forests. Nature is the antidote to paychecks and mortgages. Time spent in the real world of trees prolongs life and makes it worth living. We all need that!
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cody, you are truly a "glass is half full" kind of guy... 
why are macgyver's post so long??? the real macgyver did it with duct tape and a pocket knife, in under 30 minutes (minus commercials)...
good to see Crown King is okay though, a special thanks to Spike who actually rescued the blue cruiser there once!!.....
good to see Crown King is okay though, a special thanks to Spike who actually rescued the blue cruiser there once!!.....
I like Crown King. I couldn't leave you there to have all the fun.
-Spike
I know at least two cruisers that seem to be trapped in Crown King.......one is a 55 that has been for sale for a loooong time.......the other would be his brother in the garage (a brown 40; wasn't trained enough at the time to gather vital signs quickly enough before they closed the garage door 
)
inneresting - more power to him
well, the garage is so located, he would have been able to push it in
Taken from my post at AZFJ.org ;
7/09/08
The fire is out and the town allowed people to return today....So Jag and I ran up there for the day....here is entering Crown King....The fire line is right at the retardent line....
This is from the overlook past town....Notice the small fire in the distance....Forest Service was keeping an eye on this....
I would love to continue this picture story but after uploading these two pictures....It says the file size is too big on anything I try to upload....I give up....computers suck!!!
7/09/08
The fire is out and the town allowed people to return today....So Jag and I ran up there for the day....here is entering Crown King....The fire line is right at the retardent line....
This is from the overlook past town....Notice the small fire in the distance....Forest Service was keeping an eye on this....
I would love to continue this picture story but after uploading these two pictures....It says the file size is too big on anything I try to upload....I give up....computers suck!!!
I suggested this in another thread, and I'll bring it up again. Here goes nothing!
We should visit Crown King as a group ASAP! The town has been hurt scenically and financially.
The more of us who go there to order lunch and a cold one, the faster the town will recover. Now that the fire is out, the folks there are still regular people trying to make a living. Our lunch money is important to them. We should go there and buy lunch! It's not that hard! It's only money.
After the fire on Four Peaks I continued to visit the area often. It is very interesting to see a forest recover from a devastating fire. It is a slow progression. First bugs turn fallen timber into mulch. Then the mulch breeds new trees. A new and different forest slowly emerges.
Let's go and watch! Nature never gives up. Regrowth is fun to watch.
We should visit Crown King as a group ASAP! The town has been hurt scenically and financially.
The more of us who go there to order lunch and a cold one, the faster the town will recover. Now that the fire is out, the folks there are still regular people trying to make a living. Our lunch money is important to them. We should go there and buy lunch! It's not that hard! It's only money.
After the fire on Four Peaks I continued to visit the area often. It is very interesting to see a forest recover from a devastating fire. It is a slow progression. First bugs turn fallen timber into mulch. Then the mulch breeds new trees. A new and different forest slowly emerges.
Let's go and watch! Nature never gives up. Regrowth is fun to watch.
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