I run the ATP on my Tacoma and they are great so far. Tons of excellent reviews on them(AT3). I had a set of ST Maxx on a 4Th Gen 4Runner and they were really good too. Better durability offroad, but more noise on pavement than ATP. I'd go ATP over KO any day and I have run both, just not the new KO2 version which looks almost identical other than sidewall. If you really want a good offroad tire with above average road manners/noise then try the MTR Kevlar. That's what I run on my 450 and they shine in most conditions. Best all around tire I've used to date, but the Cooper STT MT is a pretty close 2nd. Good luck!
New cooper atw vs bf Goodrich ko2
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Cooper calls it a All Terrian Winter tire and is from what I have read is optimized for winter use. That said, it would likely work fine. But it does seem to new to have to many reviews.
Both will be great.
I bought a set of BFG AT KO2's last week and LOVE THEM. Awesome look and they are quiet on the road. Just took them on a 400 mile trip.
You can make yourself dizzy by reading these forums and will get a good case of analysis paralysis.
Both tires you are looking at will serve you well and you'll like either of them. Make a decision and you'll be happy.
Alex
I bought a set of BFG AT KO2's last week and LOVE THEM. Awesome look and they are quiet on the road. Just took them on a 400 mile trip.
You can make yourself dizzy by reading these forums and will get a good case of analysis paralysis.
Both tires you are looking at will serve you well and you'll like either of them. Make a decision and you'll be happy.
Alex
Anyone try the Nitto Exo Grappler yet?
http://www.nittotire.com/light-truck-tires/exo-grappler-all-weather-traction-light-truck-tire/
http://www.nittotire.com/light-truck-tires/exo-grappler-all-weather-traction-light-truck-tire/
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I've decided to try the cooper atw's. What the hell.... Thank you for all the replies! I'll be sure to post some pics and reviews.
I have had the new Cooper ATW's for about a month and can't say enough good things about them. I am running them on my FJ. They are awesome everywhere I have used them. I use these in the city and on country roads where the plowing is minimal. The handling is far superior than the OE tire with very little noise. The traction on snow and ice is awesome. You can't beat the price, $639 installed from the dealership. Discount tire refused to order me a set.
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I'm waiting for a stuck tie rod to become unstuck so I can finish up and get a decent alignment when I install the cooper atw's that are patiently waiting in the garage. I'll report back after install. Glad to hear you're enjoying yours!
Canadian tire had third party tests done in Sweden on the best tires for Canadian light trucks.
The atw was the overall best in class, with outstanding wet traction, dry traction, snow traction, and fuel economy. Ice traction was rated at 88/100.
The bfg at ko2 was their top pick in ice, scoring a perfect 100, and scoring above 90 in all other categories.
Both tires did fantastic for all terrain tires.
In Europe, the older at KO has a better wet braking score (a) than the Lt rated at3 (b). But cooper is renowned for their hydroplane resistance.
Bfg has the benefit of being built by Michelin, arguably the best manufacturer in the world.
Here's my take: the atw is slightly better in snow, rain and on highway. The ko2 is better on ice, and off road. The ko2 has stronger sidewalls and puncture resistance, and longer tread life.
Both tires are amongst the very best dd tire you could buy.
Another factor is that the atw is not available in southern climates because the softer tread compound isn't as robust as the at3 on hot summer days (95+). The at ko2 is available almost universally.
The atw was the overall best in class, with outstanding wet traction, dry traction, snow traction, and fuel economy. Ice traction was rated at 88/100.
The bfg at ko2 was their top pick in ice, scoring a perfect 100, and scoring above 90 in all other categories.
Both tires did fantastic for all terrain tires.
In Europe, the older at KO has a better wet braking score (a) than the Lt rated at3 (b). But cooper is renowned for their hydroplane resistance.
Bfg has the benefit of being built by Michelin, arguably the best manufacturer in the world.
Here's my take: the atw is slightly better in snow, rain and on highway. The ko2 is better on ice, and off road. The ko2 has stronger sidewalls and puncture resistance, and longer tread life.
Both tires are amongst the very best dd tire you could buy.
Another factor is that the atw is not available in southern climates because the softer tread compound isn't as robust as the at3 on hot summer days (95+). The at ko2 is available almost universally.
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Great link to Canadian Tire video but were you able to find a table with their ratings somewhere? All I can see are the videos. I would love to see exactly how the different tires compare. They list the ATW as "best in class", but don't really say by how much in what categories in order for us to compare our use with their tests.
I'm Not passing judgment on any tire, the video sounded like an advertisement.
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Installed new Cooper ATW's 285/75/16s. Definitely stiffer over the stock tire but after 2 days I'm used to it. My gas mileage went up? My commute with old tires was 15.3 now I'm getting 15.6. They ride nice and smooth and can only hear them when I get up to 65/70mph. Grip in the rain and ice was excellent- I was trying to get it to break loose. Haven't been able to try out snow yet. Everyday I pick up a rock or 2 in the driveway that will come free at highway speeds. Gravel traction is good- track excellent. Haven't been in mud but I'm guessing I'll be on a fresh job site sometime this week.
I ran the old BFG KO's on my Titan and switched to the cooper AT3. HUGE improvement in the snow and ice. I now run the cooper AT3 on my Suzuki and will buy another sent as soon as these wear out. I run way too aggressive of trails to run these on my 80, but for a daily driver set up the Cooper tires are awesome. The Duratracs are rather awesome as well, but much more aggressive and single purposed.
shopping for tires a bit too, was thinking about getting some 315/70/17 kenda klever ATs.... i had the MTs on my suzuki and was very happy with them... they're dirt cheap, which is right up my alley
With all the syping done on those tires I wonder how long they will last?
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Hopefully they last the 50k mile warranty.
@Dazrin, you asked for the specifics:
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tir...uct/2086894P/bfgoodrich-all-terrain-t-a-ko-2/
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/light-truck-tires/product/0062118P/cooper-discoverer-a-tw/
If I lived in a cold weather climate where the ATW was available, I think I'd go with the ATW for my needs. It's not sold here, unfortunately, and Cooper won't distribute it this far south. My understanding is that the tread compound is great in colder temps, but that on hot summer days (95+) it will start to wear rapidly.
So with the better ice performance, puncture resistance, and local availability, I'm going with the KO2.
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tir...uct/2086894P/bfgoodrich-all-terrain-t-a-ko-2/
http://tires.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/light-truck-tires/product/0062118P/cooper-discoverer-a-tw/
If I lived in a cold weather climate where the ATW was available, I think I'd go with the ATW for my needs. It's not sold here, unfortunately, and Cooper won't distribute it this far south. My understanding is that the tread compound is great in colder temps, but that on hot summer days (95+) it will start to wear rapidly.
So with the better ice performance, puncture resistance, and local availability, I'm going with the KO2.
Thank you! I just missed those in my scan. Too bad they didn't test many of the tires we are generally interested in. The only 3 that I see other than dedicated winter tires are the Cooper A/TW and M+S and the BFG KO2.
Code:
BFG AT KO2 Cooper Discoverer A/TW Cooper Discoverer M+S
Dry 95.3 100 100
Wet 93.6 100 100
Ice 100 88 72.3
Snow 91.7 97.8 95.7
Fuel Economy 90.8 100 81.2
Comfort 91.8 100 100any updates on the ATw? how have they been on trails? how about snow and ice, especially compared to a nonstudded dedicated snow tire? what about wear? i just bought a 99 lc and want to put AT tires on them. for several years, i have been running dedicated snow tires for the winter/early spring on an 01 subi wagon, fwd nissan sedan, and fwd minivan.
6-8 years ago, i had "all season" nokian WR's on the subi and was not too impressed; they were burned out in less than 20k and their winter performance was sub-par compared to blizzaks and generals that i've used on the same car (better that any all season that i've used). are these snowflake rated AT tires similar in performance? my debate is at3 with dedicated snows in the winter or atw and no dedicated snows?
tia and cheers
6-8 years ago, i had "all season" nokian WR's on the subi and was not too impressed; they were burned out in less than 20k and their winter performance was sub-par compared to blizzaks and generals that i've used on the same car (better that any all season that i've used). are these snowflake rated AT tires similar in performance? my debate is at3 with dedicated snows in the winter or atw and no dedicated snows?
tia and cheers
Crickets?
I have about 10k on my ATW's and have zero complaints. I have not used them on any trails yet but lots of unplowed rural roads in Minnesota and a Northern WI. Even when there is fresh powder with ice underneath you can feel the grip. I did not spin on a section you couldn't even walk across without falling. I'll be interested to see how they hold up in the summer. But at this point if I had to replace them every 2-3 years I would be fine with that. It would be a lot less pain than having to swap out/store seasonal tires.
