1973Guppie
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sub'd, I really like the look of the new KO2's, I am hoping they offer them in the 295's, can't seem to verify this, tirerack.com shows them as available in that size but no the bfg website......
New cooper atw vs bf Goodrich ko2
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Just go 315, they seem small anyhow. Or maybe they just feel like that because I dropped down from 37's
I just got the KO2 tires, on my 1996 TLC not a lot of noise on the road. I have not taken them off-road yet.
1973Guppie
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interesting that you say that as my 285's actually measure out to 31 inch, from what I can gather from my experiences and what others have said, bfg's run smaller than stated size....
They are releasing them in groups. Probably most popular sizes first. The BFG site may tell you when/if 295s we be released.
I ended up getting a sympathetic Costco tire manger and Toyota enthusiasts to install 315s. The price was too good to pass up and I like the new KO2 look. Otherwise I was going with some Cooper A/T3s based on an overland journal tire test and comparison.
I tired to order the KO2 in the 295/75/16 flavor and TireRack said something about September...
thanks for the response. i would like to give the ATW a try, too, summer and winter. I'm having difficulties finding them online. Anybody know a source? LT265/75/16 would be ideal for me
The attached photos, above, are with spacers in the front to level the OME lift. I have since removed the spacers, because it handled like crap without weight from arb bumpers etc. Plus the 285s look better without as much lift.
So far I really like the tires. Pretty quiet and suits the two most common inclement weather conditions I run into, rain & snow.
Cooper Discoverer A/TW
LT285/75R16 DISCOVER A/TW 126R BL E
Location Purchased: http://www.treaddepot.com/
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Installed the Cooper AT/W's (265/75/16 load range E) tires 4 weeks ago on an F250 extra cab w/Bigfoot camper loaded and have been driving back and forth from Vancouver to Whistler.
These tires do not disappoint. Excellent handling and braking on compact snow, moderate on ice/slush. I work in EHS/rescue and I would recommend these tires on fleet/safety trucks for the winter.
Last 2 weeks have been a great testing grounds for these tires on this type of truck/weight. Highly recommend. Disregard negative reviews. Either the driver is not competent or they may have the wrong tires for that type of vehicle.
First test was on compacted snow flat hwy, 30mph slam on brakes in a straight line and immediately they gripped. Truck did slide about 5 feet and did a firm stop. I was expecting the slide longer and come to a more gradual stop instead of the immediate grip stop.
2nd was similar compacted snow but later on at night, under the snow was sheets of thick ice. Same speed approx. 30mph but this time swerving left to right long curves on 4 lane road (no other vehicles). A few times I felt it slide a bit but it's hard to get feedback on a truck that size with loaded camper. With that said, the slides always felt very subtle and controlled. I didn't have a single pucker moment.
3rd test was uphill traction. This was phenomenal. Again compacted snow mixed with 2-3 inches of fresh when climbing windy road. Full grip and no sliding. I'm sure the additional weight helped but compared to my BFG KO's, these had more grip on the same section of hwy (drive it regularly).
4th was steep downhill. This is the one that always scares me carrying a loaded camper with a full sized truck because once it starts sliding, especially sideways, recovery is almost impossible. I did feel the occasional little slide with the wheels turned going down in 4H, 1st gear but it never broke loose - was able to keep the corner and come out breathing. This section is very steep (Duffy Lake road) 15% grade with hairpin corners.
Cooper AT/W's are amazing. Dry and rain pavement feels similar to my previous BFG AT KO's - great.
These tires do not disappoint. Excellent handling and braking on compact snow, moderate on ice/slush. I work in EHS/rescue and I would recommend these tires on fleet/safety trucks for the winter.
Last 2 weeks have been a great testing grounds for these tires on this type of truck/weight. Highly recommend. Disregard negative reviews. Either the driver is not competent or they may have the wrong tires for that type of vehicle.
First test was on compacted snow flat hwy, 30mph slam on brakes in a straight line and immediately they gripped. Truck did slide about 5 feet and did a firm stop. I was expecting the slide longer and come to a more gradual stop instead of the immediate grip stop.
2nd was similar compacted snow but later on at night, under the snow was sheets of thick ice. Same speed approx. 30mph but this time swerving left to right long curves on 4 lane road (no other vehicles). A few times I felt it slide a bit but it's hard to get feedback on a truck that size with loaded camper. With that said, the slides always felt very subtle and controlled. I didn't have a single pucker moment.
3rd test was uphill traction. This was phenomenal. Again compacted snow mixed with 2-3 inches of fresh when climbing windy road. Full grip and no sliding. I'm sure the additional weight helped but compared to my BFG KO's, these had more grip on the same section of hwy (drive it regularly).
4th was steep downhill. This is the one that always scares me carrying a loaded camper with a full sized truck because once it starts sliding, especially sideways, recovery is almost impossible. I did feel the occasional little slide with the wheels turned going down in 4H, 1st gear but it never broke loose - was able to keep the corner and come out breathing. This section is very steep (Duffy Lake road) 15% grade with hairpin corners.
Cooper AT/W's are amazing. Dry and rain pavement feels similar to my previous BFG AT KO's - great.
I have 33 KOs on my CJ7 and love them so when I put tires on FJ, I went with the KO2s. I also ran BFG KMs on two old Broncos I had. Could not be happier - Im a big fan of BFGs.
atw seemed like an interesting possibility after reading through this thread and various reviews/marketing. Alas, 285 is the biggest size for the atw and my next tires will probably be 315's
I have used other Coopers (ATP) with good results and my buddy swears by his AT3's. I have also run the old school BFG KO's on three different rigs and they were always good enough for me. Gotta assume the ko2's are better, as ancient as the KO design was.
I have used other Coopers (ATP) with good results and my buddy swears by his AT3's. I have also run the old school BFG KO's on three different rigs and they were always good enough for me. Gotta assume the ko2's are better, as ancient as the KO design was.
I'll weigh in on this, I have had both tires. Currently running Cooper A/TW on my 200 cruiser 275/70/r18 for 2 years with 10k miles on them both street, summer wheeling, and winter wheeling. They're basically an all terrain Blizzak from my experience.
I previously had the KO2 on my 100 series in 315/70R16 (upgraded from the K01 after my wife slid into someone). The K02 seemed better on ice than the A/TW initially, but the 100 is also lighter and tires are a tad wider 275 vs 315 (this is stopping on ice at red lights going down hills etc). Most people up here run studs in winter and some have to chain up once they get off the main roads.
I got the coopers over the KO2 because of the Canada Tire review and I live in Alaska with lots of snow, rain, and hills/mountains. So far I have been 100% satisfied, with the ATW. I have wheeled both summer & winter with them, have about 10k miles on my set. They look pretty boring (don't look like 33" tires at all), but I have aired down to 13 PSI and driven over 30 miles off-road to get to Knik glacier at 15 below, zero issues slipping/sliding, even up 35% grades (crawl control is the best). The tires are quiet and they track well on the street and in the rain, They have worn well running them over the past 2 summers (if it gets over 70F here I would drive the wife's 100).
This summer I got them into deep mud and some rocks etc and they impressed me even more. Initially I wished I had gotten the KO2 instead because of the stopping on ice, but every time I go out the Coopers impress me even more.
So far I haven't needed to use my snow chains, but there was one incident where I almost did. 3AM airport run and we had freezing rain, I slid down an entire 1/2 mile hill on the ice just barely keeping control (3 ton 200 is hard to stop on a steep hill). Going up the next hill I was worried I would have to chain up but the tires gripped and went right up a 2 mile hill on a sheet of black ice with minimal sliding.
My driveway is fairly steep and I have had times where I get out and shut my door only to have the car slide 2 or 3 feet back down the hill. Wife's car does it too unless I have studs on it, her previous Tacoma had to have the hubs locked in 4WD to even get up the driveway. Good times here in AK.
I bought my wife's 100 with Cooper ST Maxx in 295/70R18 on it this summer, I have wheeled it a few times and they are good in mud/rocks etc. and very good on the road as well even in the wet. I can update off-road snow performance in a few weeks when we get some snow, but the wife will want me to put her studs on pretty soon.
I may be moving back to GA, and if I do I will have to sell the Cooper's. I will probably go with the KO2 as a replacement or maybe the ST Maxx. I wish I could find a set of Rock Warrior 17" rims to put some Mud Terrains on for summertime, maybe once I'm back in the lower 48.
I previously had the KO2 on my 100 series in 315/70R16 (upgraded from the K01 after my wife slid into someone). The K02 seemed better on ice than the A/TW initially, but the 100 is also lighter and tires are a tad wider 275 vs 315 (this is stopping on ice at red lights going down hills etc). Most people up here run studs in winter and some have to chain up once they get off the main roads.
I got the coopers over the KO2 because of the Canada Tire review and I live in Alaska with lots of snow, rain, and hills/mountains. So far I have been 100% satisfied, with the ATW. I have wheeled both summer & winter with them, have about 10k miles on my set. They look pretty boring (don't look like 33" tires at all), but I have aired down to 13 PSI and driven over 30 miles off-road to get to Knik glacier at 15 below, zero issues slipping/sliding, even up 35% grades (crawl control is the best). The tires are quiet and they track well on the street and in the rain, They have worn well running them over the past 2 summers (if it gets over 70F here I would drive the wife's 100).
This summer I got them into deep mud and some rocks etc and they impressed me even more. Initially I wished I had gotten the KO2 instead because of the stopping on ice, but every time I go out the Coopers impress me even more.
So far I haven't needed to use my snow chains, but there was one incident where I almost did. 3AM airport run and we had freezing rain, I slid down an entire 1/2 mile hill on the ice just barely keeping control (3 ton 200 is hard to stop on a steep hill). Going up the next hill I was worried I would have to chain up but the tires gripped and went right up a 2 mile hill on a sheet of black ice with minimal sliding.
My driveway is fairly steep and I have had times where I get out and shut my door only to have the car slide 2 or 3 feet back down the hill. Wife's car does it too unless I have studs on it, her previous Tacoma had to have the hubs locked in 4WD to even get up the driveway. Good times here in AK.
I bought my wife's 100 with Cooper ST Maxx in 295/70R18 on it this summer, I have wheeled it a few times and they are good in mud/rocks etc. and very good on the road as well even in the wet. I can update off-road snow performance in a few weeks when we get some snow, but the wife will want me to put her studs on pretty soon.
I may be moving back to GA, and if I do I will have to sell the Cooper's. I will probably go with the KO2 as a replacement or maybe the ST Maxx. I wish I could find a set of Rock Warrior 17" rims to put some Mud Terrains on for summertime, maybe once I'm back in the lower 48.
