Need some advice LC100 vs Suburban2500

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I think you should consider the Sequoia too. It is not as refined as the LC, but it is a beast and can tow well, while you sit in comfort. The difference between a Sub and a LC is like driving a bus vs. your BMW.

Good Luck.
 
Zimm said:
i never get how people get 16mpg from a cruiser. the EPA is 16 highway. thats flat. thats 0-60 in 4 minutes. thats no AC with the windows up. i dont think a person could get 16mpg out of one of these things if the mile it traveled was tossing it out of a c130 while it idled.
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must have fallen off the plane myself cuz I was doing over 17 mpg on the freeway at 70mph just last week, with bigger tires and a fairly loaded truck on top of 3.5 people... :)
 
e9999 said:
must have fallen off the plane myself cuz I was doing over 17 mpg on the freeway at 70mph just last week, with bigger tires and a fairly loaded truck on top of 3.5 people... :)
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I typically get over 18mpg between Phoenix and Tucson with the cruise set to 70mph. During the summer, I can do a tad better (~19+ in NM). Maybe the dry air helps w/ less wind resistance or a leaner mixture? Tires are OEM 275/60R18 dueler HT's at 32psi.
 
Jim_Chow said:
I typically get over 18mpg between Phoenix and Tucson with the cruise set to 70mph. During the summer, I can do a tad better (~19+ in NM). Maybe the dry air helps w/ less wind resistance or a leaner mixture? Tires are OEM 275/60R18 dueler HT's at 32psi.
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FOUL! :crybaby:

You guys with the better mileage have the newer drivetrain. The rest of us poor schmucks have to buy premium gas, get poor mileage and pray that every tank gets us at least 300 miles!
 
That is true for me too.

Only on the highway do I get 300 miles to the tank. The most I have gotten is 320 miles from a tank.
 
Still better than the 80's mileage. Consuelo de bobo.
I'm happy with 12-13 mpg on 33" tires.

Maxim, to (attempt to) answer to your hydraulic suspension question in post # 18: AHC is supposed to compensate for heavier trailer tongue load, meaning if the trailer is pushing the rear of the vehicle downwards, it's supposed to adjust itself and keep the truck level.
So on one hand, this feature was designed to kick in when you are towing something heavy. On the other hand, I can only hope that the AHC doesn't present a point of failure or premature wear when towing... specially when towing at maximum limits.

-Cal
 
calbo said:
Still better than the 80's mileage. Consuelo de bobo.
I'm happy with 12-13 mpg on 33" tires.

Maxim, to (attempt to) answer to your hydraulic suspension question in post # 18: AHC is supposed to compensate for heavier trailer tongue load, meaning if the trailer is pushing the rear of the vehicle downwards, it's supposed to adjust itself and keep the truck level.
So on one hand, this feature was designed to kick in when you are towing something heavy. On the other hand, I can only hope that the AHC doesn't present a point of failure or premature wear when towing... specially when towing at maximum limits.

-Cal
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if the dealer didnt have my rig id look this up.

whats the design spec poundage on the ahc? if it was for towing it would have to be 650 pounds. correct?
 
I have to say that the suberban is not the way to go. I drive one daily and it realy is a turd. It is my third one so I can say that honestly. I drive it cause I am a builder and need the "space and seating". I drive it hard, tow with it, and when I have the chance to drive the lx 470 or my fathers 100 series, I am in heaven. My suberban is now on 35's and is only a year or so old and is by no means as tight as both the lx and the cruiser. I thought the new suspension might tighten it up. Not.
My father's cruiser is a 2000 with 170,000 on it and going strong. Tighter then the suberban.
You need to keep in mind that you will be getting an older Chevrolet for the number you wish to spend. For that same number or a bit more, you will find a geat used cruiser that will out live the chevy hands down. Not to mention the resale. Just spend some time on ebay and you will learn the values.
My 2cents.
Go get a nice used cruiser and drive it for many years. The Chevy will be something you most likely regret in the long run.
Goebs
 
Zimm said:
if the dealer didnt have my rig id look this up.

whats the design spec poundage on the ahc? if it was for towing it would have to be 650 pounds. correct?
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That sounds about right. IIRC, the weight of passengers + gear cannot exceed about 1250 lbs or the AHC will go into the failsafe low mode. The way around it is to run airbags in the rear. Dinibli does this for heavy loads and just deflates the bags when driving around town w/ no load. This allows the AHC to function both with heavy and light loads. You do not want to install heavy-duty springs unless you plan to add a lot of weight to the rear permanently.
 
Jim_Chow said:
You do not want to install heavy-duty springs unless you plan to add a lot of weight to the rear permanently.
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True. My first car was an old Plymouth with a huge trunk and heavy duty springs. I think it was used to run moonshine before I got it. It sat up like it had a 3" lift in the rear when empty, but carried a load beautifully.
 
I currently have both a 2001 1500 Suburban (it's my second Suburban) and a 2004 LC. While the 'burban feels cheaper and has a couple of annoying issues (e.g., steering clunk), there are many things I really like about it. First, the Suburban is roomier--not just with respect to cargo, but for passengers too. The second and third rows have way more room than the the LC's second and third rows. The driver's area seems roomier too. Also, I think the Suburban is easier to drive than the LC. The chevy's mirrors and sight lines are much better than the LC's (I feel I have to double/triple check when changing lanes in the LC). My suburban has the 5.3L engine, 4.10 gears and 33" tires, but it gets better mileage (by 1-2 MPG city and 3-4 MPG Highway) and feels quicker than the LC. Both trucks are reliable, in the they always work sense and both have annoying quality issues. The LC feels like it gets more door dings, etc., but that may just be becasue I care about it more (each ding is that much more annoying). The Suburban tows way better and feels less affected by heavy loads. All this sounds pretty pro-suburban, but the fact that I visit this board every day and only rarely visit suburban boards must mean something.
 
KathmanduCruiser said:
That is true for me too.

Only on the highway do I get 300 miles to the tank. The most I have gotten is 320 miles from a tank.
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Well, I'm not crazy then. When I bought my cruiser a couple of months ago, I knew not to expect much. Now, I know never to expect much.

Recently I have started to drive like my grandmother and she's dead. I measure my 0 to 60 times with an hour glass, take my foot off the gas 1/4 mile back from a red light and kill the engine going through the the drive through.

Disheartning to see only 140 or so miles has elapsed by the time I have used half a tank. But, boy do I remember those miles.:)
 
If you need the space, and have to tow some big stuff, look for a Ford Diesel Excursion, drop a few hundred with Banks, for a chip and bigger turbo and you can get into a wicked urban assult vehicle. ARB makes steel for the front.
Fit and finish inside fair at best, you can get 400K out of the motor, maybe 200K out of the front end if you don't push snow with it.
 
cruiserheadrat said:
If you need the space, and have to tow some big stuff, look for a Ford Diesel Excursion, drop a few hundred with Banks, for a chip and bigger turbo and you can get into a wicked urban assult vehicle. ARB makes steel for the front.
Fit and finish inside fair at best, you can get 400K out of the motor, maybe 200K out of the front end if you don't push snow with it.
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That is a good choice too. Have you seen the new Ford Expedition EL yet? It is direct competition for the Suburban, since Ford stopped making the Excursion. I saw one on the highway today towing a big boat.
 
Zimm said:
i never get how people get 16mpg from a cruiser. the EPA is 16 highway. thats flat. thats 0-60 in 4 minutes. thats no AC with the windows up. i dont think a person could get 16mpg out of one of these things if the mile it traveled was tossing it out of a c130 while it idled.
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I've managed to get 15 mpg under ideal conditions and this has only happed for a few tanks of gas in the last several years.

My real world average is closer to 12 mpg with the type of driving I do.
 
Thanks for all the responses.

I'm probably not going to go to a full time Sub for a single vehicle. Though I am debating keeping the bimmer and buying a separate dually for about $4K.

There is a 2000 LC100 for $17K nearby, hopefully the guy is going to call me back about it on Monday.
 
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