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Its my DD and I drive it a good bit. Like I said in a previous post, I thought the noise (scrapping and grinding) was inconsistent. But yesterday it surely wasnt. Basically the noises got louder and more frequent yesterday. I'm not a complete dumba** so it hasnt been this bad. There's been a little bit of scratching sound, but i was hoping there was just some mud or dirt caught on top of brake pad. I've had the rig for just under 4 weeks, the PO let gen mechanics do "get by" work on the rig for quite some time, so I wonder if he had a cheap aftermarket involved with the brake system and thats why the drastic change in brakes in one day.... i'll post pics today
 
Do yall know about getting supplies like OEM or the Brembo rotor you mentioned LACruiser... CDan doesnt always respond to me (I think I'm getting the newbie shoulder)... like can I go to the dealership and by OEM parts for it and/or Brembo??
 
Do yall know about getting supplies like OEM or the Brembo rotor you mentioned LACruiser... CDan doesnt always respond to me (I think I'm getting the newbie shoulder)... like can I go to the dealership and by OEM parts for it and/or Brembo??

Generally the cheaper pads will last awhile, but their downfall is they often will be dusty, noisy, and not stop the car as well. Since the noise essentially just started,I'm pretty sure you're going to find the backing plate rubbing on the rotor.

Brembo rotors are available from many auto parts houses, they are a pretty common brand. Get out the yellow pages and start calling.

looking forward to some pix.
 
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sharing the f'n jetta today while rigs OOS. I'll post pix after dropping her off.
 
all the tools that r in the rig

these are all the tools that were in the rig. there's no way this is enough to lift it huh.
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That is enough to lift the rig and swap out pads but not enough to remove a wheel/hub and slap on new rotors.
 
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so enough to pull the tire and wheel off to take pics of the rotor??
 
Here's what theyre telling me:

ROTORS
Brembo rotors (have a pair available) for 107.99 each
Duralast rotors(only one available) 72.99 measurements: 139.7 mm and 58.3 mm

PADS
PBR (OEM) 51.77 for pair
Napa Ceramic pad 72.99 (shop guy says complete aftermarket to factory, its slotted)
Raybestiss pads (sp?) Ceramic 65.99 Metalic 66.99
Duralast (lifetime warranty) 22.99
Duralast Gold (lifetime warranty) 36.99
Duralast Gold Cmax (lifetime warranty) 54.99

What do yall think?
 
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havent found spot to put jack and lift

here are picks of inside of wheel. If i'm not mistaken, its the birfield in this pic
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for a point of reference, what is toyota OEM at your local dealer telling you?

And, what year is your truck?
 
those axle seals don't look too bad, although one side is definitely cleaner than the other. I'd leave them be for now.
 
its a 95. the napa guy said the PBR pads are OEM. I called the parker toyota dealership to ask how much a front end job would be (estimate wise) and he called back and left a message just asking me to return his call... most be too good a deal to leave in a voice message.
 
those axle seals don't look too bad, although one side is definitely cleaner than the other. I'd leave them be for now.

Lacruiser - I respectfully beg to differ. They are dry as they can be! They need to be showing signs of grease all around the felt IMHO.


BWR - Immediately, before I drove it after repairing the brakes,if you don't tear it down to the birf's during the repair, I'd remove the square headed pipe plug at the top of the outer birf and pump in two tubes of grease via a grease gun to make sure the inner birf has grease.

Second - If you have damaged the rotors, I can tell you from driving an 80 for 15 years, turning rotors is like angioplasty to the heart - open heart surgery is the answer not stints. Turning rotors on a design that is already nearly under engineered for the weight of the 80 will only cause very premature warping, and you will waste the new pads you install and cook the brake fluid and calipers in the process, potentially. If you MUST turn them due to time/money constraints, turning them on the vehicle is your least difficult, lowest effort approach. If you have to remove the rotors to repair the birfs, do yourself a favor and buy a set of rotors. I am not trying to sell you anything, but I will help out by providing a 4000 miles used set off my last 80 that are true and ready for new pads. You make a fair offer for them, they're yours. They are OEM and I was saving them for myself, but it sounds like you need them worse than I do. I know how this might sound to eveyone (opportucistic) so I will say that I will let them go for next to nothing to help. You pay the shipping.

Third - DON'T PAY A STEALERSHIP. Get the video, rely on us, you can call me if it comes to that, we'll help you get through this for less and get a better result. There is a thread on MUD that I used the very first time and I had never done it nor did I have the video. You can do this. IF the clicking is the birf, DON'T buy new ones - take them out, dissassemble them, switch the outers to the oppossite side and drive them for another 300,000 miles.

THis is solid advice, all from the wonderful group here at MUD.

Now for my opinion - I don't like after market brake pads and rotors. I would never deter from factory rotors and factory pads. Do not mix match factory rotors and other supplier pads. They are a system engineered for thermal transfer rates predesigned into the rotor/pad/backing plate/caliper/brake fluid and when one is out of spec, the entire system suffers and performs poorly which is a major safety hazard for a 6000# heffer. Think about Car-X - lifetime warranty on brake pads. Guess what brings the customer back? Warped rotors and cooked calipers. Guess who gets paid to replace those? Car-X. See anything wrong with wear items designed to sacrafice themselves (i.e.brake pads) being altered to never wear out? If you go to ceramic, make sure you purchase jointly designed exclusive kits. If the sourcing group offers rotors and options on pads - run.

Also - watch out on the Brembo products. They have leased their name to operations in Mexico, not to be confused with the same found on AMG's, BMW's etc. Drilled and slotted rotors are notorious for cracking. Good ol heavy duty, high mass rotors are what you need as you are not stopping a 2600# car from 200 mph. You are slowing a hog from 70 mph - huge difference in design requirements. My $.02.
 
Not to argue buut I do have a couple of thngs to say.

1. Toyota sources brakes to a brake manufacturer. Pads also.
2. Several aftermarket suppliers of the above exceed all oem specs even on cheapest rotrs they make.
3. If something from a reputable company states that it is made for a specific application, then it is also meeting/exceeding thermal specs, etc.
4. Owning a number of BMW products, the brake parts I but at the dealer and at NAPA are the same. Period. and NOT stamped BMW at either (they also do NOT manufacture brakes but famr them out to companies like Brembo and another.. can't remember name.).
5. since manufacturers started using chamfered/stress-relieved hole on brake rotors.. they don't crack. while not an appropriate comparison, racing teams use slotted/drilled brakes that face amazing stresses and they do not fail. We're talking brakes that are taken to red-hot in some cases tens of thousands of times during endurance races and they'll wear (thin out) yeah,.. but they don't crack anymore.

just my 2c too... and agin,.. not arguing.
 
pics of PS rotor

these are pictures of the PS rotor (which sounded to me like most of the trouble) there's even some pad left--didnt sound that way to me--but I don't know if youll be able to see it in the pictures... I forgot about this... a couple weeks ago I went offroading... had a solid day out there... the day after I was driving up the street and it sounded like I was dragging a stick from the Front PS wheel. I looked under and around the wheel but nothing was there. Went out again offroading later that day, had another solid day out there and noise was gone after that. Then the noise came back later that night. Since then it went away, I figured it was gone. Maybe that has something to do with the braking problem yesterday?
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more of same wheel

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Not to argue buut I do have a couple of thngs to say.

1. Toyota sources brakes to a brake manufacturer. Pads also.
2. Several aftermarket suppliers of the above exceed all oem specs even on cheapest rotrs they make.
3. If something from a reputable company states that it is made for a specific application, then it is also meeting/exceeding thermal specs, etc.
4. Owning a number of BMW products, the brake parts I but at the dealer and at NAPA are the same. Period. and NOT stamped BMW at either (they also do NOT manufacture brakes but famr them out to companies like Brembo and another.. can't remember name.).
5. since manufacturers started using chamfered/stress-relieved hole on brake rotors.. they don't crack. while not an appropriate comparison, racing teams use slotted/drilled brakes that face amazing stresses and they do not fail. We're talking brakes that are taken to red-hot in some cases tens of thousands of times during endurance races and they'll wear (thin out) yeah,.. but they don't crack anymore.

just my 2c too... and agin,.. not arguing.

Bill - you are probably more up to date than I am on rotors and I would agree that rotors have come a long way. From experience, I placed the "Brembo" cross drilled (from Mexico) on my LX 470 and they cracked within 15K miles and I am EASY on brakes. That was in 2004 so they may be better.

I would argue that DOT specs and OEM specs that pad sourcers are operating against do not MEET OEM spec, but they do in fact exceed their spec...which is a problem. The coeffecient of friction and thermal dissapation are key to successful braking characteristics. I talked to the sourcing agent for Goodyear and he admitted their pads exceed OEM specs, but don't match them and therefore do not perform as well. Think about the farce of EPA MPG rating and then think about that same silliness on DOT Specs. I guarantee you if someone were to take this topic to a BHP DYNO and test out OEM pads vs non-OEM pads, this is where you'll see the difference. Also, rotors are comprised of several metals and the ratio of those in the casting directly affect the qualities of the rotor in terms of the aforementioned characteristics. One other thought - why would the factories who engineer their brake systems, or who source and fund the engineering of their state-of-the-art system allow those sourcing partners to then take to market the results of the manufacturer funded R&D? They don't and I don't blame them.

My Goodyear reference came out of a situation on a GMC 4X4 and a boat towing incident. I had Goodyear install new pads all the way around and several weeks later I was towing the boat and made an emergency stop.....long after I should have because the brakes faded out from heat. I missed totaling the rig and the other driver who pulled out in front of me and when it was all said and done, Goodyear replaced all of the pads and rotors with OEM and the issue went away. The near collision was caused not by overlaoding, but by normal use. I had made many other much harder stops on that rig and it wasn't until Goodyear installed their composition that the truck lost a good 20% of it's stopping ability under havy loads. Once we went back to factory - no issue. Saw the same thing with my '94 LC - warped rotors, squealing and poor stopping all dissapated with factory components. On my 740, BMW said they will not turn rotors becausae of the loss of mass for heat dissapation. I really think I am right on this, but I could be wrong. I though I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. :D
Go talk to the guys at Car-X and Midas - it's their marketing plan and one of the travesty's in the auto industry right along with the trransmission rebuild industry and Government politics! :)
I love these discussions - let's see who else we can drag into it! Later.
 
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OK, those pix look good, seems you may even have almost a 1/4" of pad material left. However, you need to also look at the other side of the rotor. For the front 2 wheels, you need to look at 4 rotor surfaces.
 
2. Several aftermarket suppliers of the above exceed all oem specs even on cheapest rotrs they make.

For what it's worth I recall someone weighing his aftermarket rotor (I can't find the post, so can't get details, but it was a NAPA "OEM replacement" or something similar) and the weight was darn near half that of OEM.

Even assuming that the thickness and wear factors are the same (which it obviously wouldn't be), half the weight means it'll heat up far quicker.

Granted that's comparing a budget rotor to OEM, but it gives a reference point. :meh:


these are pictures of the PS rotor (which sounded to me like most of the trouble) there's even some pad left--didnt sound that way to me--but I don't know if youll be able to see it in the pictures... I forgot about this... a couple weeks ago I went offroading... had a solid day out there... the day after I was driving up the street and it sounded like I was dragging a stick from the Front PS wheel. I looked under and around the wheel but nothing was there. Went out again offroading later that day, had another solid day out there and noise was gone after that. Then the noise came back later that night. Since then it went away, I figured it was gone. Maybe that has something to do with the braking problem yesterday?

The rotor doesn't seem to be in too bad of shape, but it's difficult to tell. If you run your hand across it is it smooth?
 

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