Need help identifying genuine Denso 90919-02230 coil packs from fakes

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Hi Folks,

Thanks very much to all who have contributed so far! As the original poster, a few comments and an update:

- Only the Denso direct coils (but not the Toyota-branded Denso coils) have that Black & White sticker on top of the resin (as rroverbkk posted above);
- "Molded web underneath connector housing" (as Ayune posted pictures) does not seems to a be a sign of authenticity; my most-probably counterfeit ones have that connector as well.

I reported my counterfeits to Toyota USA, Denso North America, US Customs & Border Protection (for label of origin fraud etc), and FBI's IPR unit (they re-direct to a form on I.C.E.). This is a very bad time of the year to expect a prompt response, but happy to report that the USCBP is already on my case. I will keep you posted.

As I listed above, Denso has a web document on identifying fake Denso Spark Plugs,
http://www.globaldenso.com/en/products/aftermarket/plug/catalog/asia/pdf/P043.pdf
and they certainly need to have such documents on Ignition Coil Packs (which are ten times more expensive that the spark plugs).

As I find online, Toyota Australia has been aggressive about fighting counterfeit Toyota parts,
Counterfeit car parts flood Australia
but in the US, only Hyundai has reportedly worked on it:
Feds warn of counterfeit auto parts
 
Good work.
 
When I first moved to China in 2012, I was driving a 2006 Toyota Crown (mechanically a GS300). I had a front wheel bearing that was making noise, not loose but getting there, so I went to the dealer to buy a replacement. The dealer in China wouldnt sell me the part because I wasnt going to use their service department to install it, but gave me the number for a "guy who sold geniune parts".

I went to him and he told me he carries genuine hub and bearing assembly, he brings the box out, says Toyota, has a Toyota label on the side of it and a part number. The box said, "Motor, Wiper" and the part number was for an oil filter, with a hub and bearing inside. Not sure how many people he tricked, but assuming chinese people cant read english that well, and just assume there is english writing on the side and that its legit.

I passed and bought a Timken on rock auto and carried it back to China on my next rotation home.
 
I think this is relevant. Here's a video I did showing a new Denso coil from Amazon. It appears genuine to me and was priced at $56. I bought a second and it looked the same. I try to avoid the Toyota mark up and buy the Denso parts via Amazon or another online retailer.

Link for coil: http://amzn.to/2CiBZ2i
Video:
 
I have 8 of those in my 100, been buying them for 4-5 years, they are genuine Denso. Not had one fail on me. Seen enough Toyota parts to know what is legit and what isn't

I carried 1-2 as spares(to replace originals) with as they went out, this year I just replaced the rest(last 4) so all are within 1 year old. I even replaced 1( or maybe2) Toyota pack I put in years(maybe 10) ago, I use them as spares now.

So at 165,000 miles, 4(or maybe 5) of the original coil packs had failed at somepoint(starting at about 110K) when the 4th or 5th one went a few months ago, I already had 2 ND spares, so I just ordered up a few more and replaced the rest. I will say, the old 100 felt more spunky with all new coil packs, noticed no change in MPG

Oddly the wifes LX with 190,000 has never had a coil pack fail in the 90K we have had it, my guess is they were replaced at Lexus at 90-100K.




suprarx7nut said:
I think this is relevant. Here's a video I did showing a new Denso coil from Amazon. It appears genuine to me and was priced at $56. I bought a second and it looked the same. I try to avoid the Toyota mark up and buy the Denso parts via Amazon or another online retailer.
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^ FWIW most of those ads are posted by "sales agents" who buy and re-sell. So maybe there is a very-very short list of actual manufacturers making them, but represented by dozens of sales agents, your eBay seller likely being one of them.
 
Having dealt with what I believe to be multiple fake "Denso" radiators on Amazon I'm glad someone is taking the steps to catch these.
 
savirc said:
Having dealt with what I believe to be multiple fake "Denso" radiators on Amazon I'm glad someone is taking the steps to catch these.
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Interesting- fake radiators? I just ordered one through Rock Auto, it appears legit; box was Denso box, very well packed. How did you discern knock off radiator?
 
abuck99 said:
Interesting- fake radiators? I just ordered one through Rock Auto, it appears legit; box was Denso box, very well packed. How did you discern knock off radiator?
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Don't want to hijack this thread but box will say "Denso" and it will also have a oval "Denso" sticker at the top but nothing else will be permanently printed on the radiator that will identify it as a Denso. The counterfeits are getting better and better. Denso usually permanently prints on their parts. I don't have a real Denso radiator to compare but all of these radiators failed and leaked with in 5000 miles all 3 of them all from Amazon all installed appropriately I seriously doubt Denso quality control would be that bad. They also looked/felt very cheap.
 
Hi Folks,

As the original poster of this thread, I wish to update how it ended for me. Firstly, it was only last weekend that I finally replaced all the ignition coils; I had replaced just one bad coil in January. I used 4 believed-to-be-genuine YEC coils from Amazon and 4 cheaper MotorKing Blaster (yellow) coils from eBay. Placed YECs on the 4 "outer" cylinders.

All the coils on the vehicle when I bought it were no-name coils, and I had replaced 4 in the last 6 years, as they failed. It was a good thing that I decided to change all coils at this time, because 3 out of the 7 that I took out had cracks developing in the plastic sheaths. I believe the 4 that didn't have such damage yet are the ones that I replaced within the last 6 years (last 30,000 miles).

As to my report of counterfeit Toyota/Denso coils, of all the companies/agencies that I reported to only the USCBP took an active interest. Had several e-mail info exchanges with a CBP agent in Dec-Jan. I was fortunately able to get my money back (with free return shipping) from the seller. eBay buyers might want to know that you have to file a dispute claim thru' the eBay system to preserve your rights within the deadline stipulated there - contacting the seller thru a message doesn't count. Although, I wasn't aware of this at that time, I was able to convince the seller to take his stuff back (without mentioning the ongoing investigation). A lesson learnt!
 
I purchased the cheapest replacement I could find off ebay. I knew I was buying fake at the cost.:meh: I tested it and it worked fine and I immediately removed it and store it under the seat. In the event I have a coil go bad while traveling I have a replacement that will work. As long as it works until I get home Im OK with that. I will then purchase a OEM replacement from my local dealership for the final fix and restore the fake coil under the seat.
 
Thanks everyone for the "heads up". Was just about to get fooled by the ebay ones but decided to check here first! I'm going to RockAuto like I usually do.
 
I bought this from local auto parts store probably Napa seven years ago as a spare and still haven't used it.

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Sorry to up this old thread, but I'm out of luck with any other source of information.
I'm facing misfires with my new to me car, 99% sure is coil packs, but I'm struggling to find ANY reliable source of spares.

Is the Denso #673-1303 the updated part to replace the Toyota/Lexus #90919-02230?

Is Amazon a reputable source for them?
(Amazon product ASIN B002Y37M0W)

When compared to other suppliers this seems a bit cheap to me, but chep is good if quality is unchanged! :rofl::rofl:
 
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