My goodness used 200s are fairly rare!

[mooneywa]

I don't think members on MUD are your typical 200 owner.

At a bare minimum we know how to switch to low range, I don't think your typical owner does. "Low range? Why would i want to make it go low?"

 

[coleAK]

+1 on everything you said there. LCs are so geographically niche. They basically only sell ok new in 1 - affluent areas of Texas 2 - Ski country (Rockies CO, ID, UT, etc.), and 3 - Some parts of New England. The Land Cruiser name also appeals to a much older crowd that grew up with 40s, 60s, and to an extent 80s series.

Up here in AK most of the LC drivers are stay at home spouses (kid haulers), I work with 3 guys whose wives drive 200s and they give me a hard time for driving one. 80, 100, and 200s are fairly common both in LC and LX. I think the reason more are seen out west is not due to the winters (not great in snow/ice) but the summer as they are great overland/camping/outdoor vehicles. Both guys I know that have built out 80s garage them all winter.

 

[Markuson]

My 200 LC has a rear window decal that says “Zombie Outbreak Response Unit.”

Is that in agreement with the stereotypical LC owner as well?

Heh...

Here ya go:

 

[KLF]

Heh...

Here ya go:

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Wait... How'd you get that webbing on there? Trying to figure out how to attach some molle webbing on my drawers.

 

[Markuson]

Wait... How'd you get that webbing on there? Trying to figure out how to attach some molle webbing on my drawers.

Anything with Velcro hooks will stick extremely well.

Those are multiples of 5.11 light/pen holders... They just happen to fit PERFECTLY by sticking two of them between the handles and drawer edges. I have a total of 8 on the drawers, and a couple more on the side trim.

Another helpful element is that you can cut the stitching between the two elastic loops to create one larger loop if you need it for certain items.

They are about $6 each here:

NOTE: The picture is out of date. There is just ONE line of stitching separating the two loops.

5.11 Tactical Light Writing Patch

I've posted this before, but since you asked...here's the full array:

 

[LBridges]

I don't think members on MUD are your typical 200 owner.

At a bare minimum we know how to switch to low range, I don't think your typical owner does. "Low range? Why would i want to make it go low?"

Tell them that's so when you go to a drive-thru Starbucks for your latte you can make it fit under the low height clearance sign.

 

[m3fan]

Mine sat on the lot for ~2 months in the Chicago area before I snagged it. I think most folks around here have no idea what they are and could not figure out why a 3 year old car with 50K miles would still be 50 grand used. It must be mystifying to those not in the know. I only see one 200 per month on average and I drive 60 miles a day. It's an event when I see one around here.

The best part is that it only had 1 Chicago winter and was previously in southern states. Undercarriage was perfect and I already hit it with Fluid Film so it'll stay that way. That's why you need to check the CarFax even if the car is currently in the rust belt. It may have come from elsewhere before it got to that lot.

 

[PhiloCruiser]

welp, I found one...and because of this forum, I let my deposit on my 4Runner Pro go...2016 with 17k miles.

 

[cc1999]

Nice!
Congrats on the new rig.

 

[SWUtah]

Up here in AK most of the LC drivers are stay at home spouses (kid haulers), I work with 3 guys whose wives drive 200s and they give me a hard time for driving one. 80, 100, and 200s are fairly common both in LC and LX. I think the reason more are seen out west is not due to the winters (not great in snow/ice) but the summer as they are great overland/camping/outdoor vehicles. Both guys I know that have built out 80s garage them all winter.

With dedicated snow tires 200 series will go anywhere. What are your friends driving lifted pick up trucks pretty much worse traction in the world. Now if they’re driving snowmobiles they win but they’re also freezing they’re ass off

 

[coleAK]

With dedicated snow tires 200 series will go anywhere. What are your friends driving lifted pick up trucks pretty much worse traction in the world. Now if they’re driving snowmobiles they win but they’re also freezing they’re ass off

I run studded Nokian in the winter makes it much better and I agree way better than trucks but due to the weight nowhere close to as good as my wife’s 4 matic E class or Audi’s, or Subaru’s.

 

[SWUtah]

I run studded Nokian in the winter makes it much better and I agree way better than trucks but due to the weight nowhere close to as good as my wife’s 4 matic E class or Audi’s, or Subaru’s.

What makes these others better suited for the type of snow you have in your area? My BFG AT/KO2's work great here in the Jacksonville Florida area for all the types of snow we get

 

[Chickenmagnet]

Up here in AK most of the LC drivers are stay at home spouses (kid haulers), I work with 3 guys whose wives drive 200s and they give me a hard time for driving one. 80, 100, and 200s are fairly common both in LC and LX. I think the reason more are seen out west is not due to the winters (not great in snow/ice) but the summer as they are great overland/camping/outdoor vehicles. Both guys I know that have built out 80s garage them all winter.

I'm getting all sorts of crap for trading my 911 in on my lx from friends of mine. I couldn't relay to them that I'd been looking at this car for three years searching for the perfect one. I found it finally and paid 23k plus my trade for an 11 with 52k miles on it. People think I'm crazy, but I know I'm not. Also I run a set of Blizzaks and it's a monster in snow and ice. I had 80 miles of black ice/50mph gusts last night driving home from Wyoming and it was solid. I'm smitten with this beast.

 

[coleAK]

What makes these others better suited for the type of snow you have in your area? My BFG AT/KO2's work great here in the Jacksonville Florida area for all the types of snow we get

Haha. I still have 4-6” of solid ice on my driveway. Winter break up season in AK.

 

[Mogwai]

I think that the Land Cruiser buyer is a unique one, and there aren't that many of us. My wife has a Range Rover Sport that we purchased new for around $82K. So from a price perspective, it is a competitor to the Land Cruiser. I have driven both vehicles A LOT over the last two years and here is how they stack up:

Styling RRS
Fit/finish RRS
Handling RRS
Leather RRS
Comfort RRS
HVAC RRS
Audo RRS
Acceleration RRS
Options RRS
Safety features RRS
Cabin space LC
Rear legroom LC
Suspension RRS
Cargo area RRS
Lift gate RRS
Fuel economy RRS
Predicted reliability LC
Off-roading capability LC

Now, I wouldn't trade my LC for a RRS, but neither would my wife trade her RRS for a LC.

The RRS, and many other high-end SUVs, beat the pants off of the LC in so many ways. That's why production numbers for the LC are low, and so are the buyers. But there are still buyers for the LC. It's a cult following type of thing. I'm definitely keeping mine.

What's that RRS worth, or going to be worth compared to same m/y LC?

 

[TexasHusker]

What's that RRS worth, or going to be worth compared to same m/y LC?

I have access to Manheim MMR, which shows the following values for a 2014 RRS and Land Cruiser respectively:

Range Rover Sport HSE V6 MSRP $67,400 Current MMR base $41,000

Toyota Land Cruiser MSRP $84,315 Current MMR base $42,900


Of course, this doesn't tell the whole story: The RRS is rarely discounted off of MSRP, so the MSRP is usually the price paid. The LC is often discounted around $5K off of MSRP, so the actual price paid is more like $79,315.

So at auction, the 2014 RRS is bringing 60.65% of its avg selling price 4 years later, and the Cruiser is bringing 54% of its selling price 4 years later.

This is absolutely shocking to me, the fact that a Rover is holding value not just better than the LC, but considerably better. 7 percentage points is significant.

In terms of depreciation, and over 48 months, the Cruiser cost you $759 per month to drive; the Rover $554. About $200 more per month to drive the Cruiser!

 

[TexasHusker]

Just out of curiosity I looked at the 2014 4Runner Limited 4WD: MSRP was $41,361. Let's assume you talked them down $1,000 on this unit and paid $40,361. MMR base on this vehicle is $28,400. That's an astounding 70% of original price. I don't know of an SUV that compares to that one in terms of resale. It only costs you $249 a month in depreciation to drive a brand new 4Runner. Simply amazing.

 

[sage1]

Don’t Mannheim numbers reflect wholesale/auction pricing. If so the percentage of depreciation would be less for retail and private sales when comparing to vehicles purchased at or close to MSRP.

 

[TonyP]

I have access to Manheim MMR, which shows the following values for a 2014 RRS and Land Cruiser respectively:

Range Rover Sport HSE V6 MSRP $67,400 Current MMR base $41,000

Toyota Land Cruiser MSRP $84,315 Current MMR base $42,900


Of course, this doesn't tell the whole story: The RRS is rarely discounted off of MSRP, so the MSRP is usually the price paid. The LC is often discounted around $5K off of MSRP, so the actual price paid is more like $79,315.

So at auction, the 2014 RRS is bringing 60.65% of its avg selling price 4 years later, and the Cruiser is bringing 54% of its selling price 4 years later.

This is absolutely shocking to me, the fact that a Rover is holding value not just better than the LC, but considerably better. 7 percentage points is significant.

In terms of depreciation, and over 48 months, the Cruiser cost you $759 per month to drive; the Rover $554. About $200 more per month to drive the Cruiser!

How many of those 48 months are you actually driving your RRS and not in a loaner while they fix something at the dealer?

 

[TexasHusker]

Don’t Mannheim numbers reflect wholesale/auction pricing. If so the percentage of depreciation would be less for retail and private sales when comparing to vehicles purchased at or close to MSRP.

Wholesale is tied very closely to retail. Either a RRS or LC are only going to bring $2-4K over wholesale. But yes, you are correct. If the RRS is bringing say $44K, that's 65% of original price. If the LC is bringing say $46,000, that's 58%.

In reality, very few late model luxury car owners sell their car to a private party. 90% or more are traded in.