My goodness used 200s are fairly rare!

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I think that the Land Cruiser buyer is a unique one, and there aren't that many of us. My wife has a Range Rover Sport that we purchased new for around $82K. So from a price perspective, it is a competitor to the Land Cruiser. I have driven both vehicles A LOT over the last two years and here is how they stack up:

Styling RRS
Fit/finish RRS
Handling RRS
Leather RRS
Comfort RRS
HVAC RRS
Audo RRS
Acceleration RRS
Options RRS
Safety features RRS
Cabin space LC
Rear legroom LC
Suspension RRS
Cargo area RRS
Lift gate RRS
Fuel economy RRS
Predicted reliability LC
Off-roading capability LC

Now, I wouldn't trade my LC for a RRS, but neither would my wife trade her RRS for a LC.

The RRS, and many other high-end SUVs, beat the pants off of the LC in so many ways. That's why production numbers for the LC are low, and so are the buyers. But there are still buyers for the LC. It's a cult following type of thing. I'm definitely keeping mine.
 
Interesting choices, for me the RRS doesn't have the dual hatch tailgate feature the LC has and the big RR has. That is one of my number one favorite features of the 200s and the RR for that matter. For me the cargo area and rear hatch would go hands down in favor of the 200s. Plus I have never owned a unibody vehicle I ever really liked which the current RR and RRS are now unibody vehicles . I much prefer the isolation from the road that only a body on frame vehicle can provide.
 
TexasHusker said:
I think that the Land Cruiser buyer is a unique one, and there aren't that many of us. My wife has a Range Rover Sport that we purchased new for around $82K. So from a price perspective, it is a competitor to the Land Cruiser. I have driven both vehicles A LOT over the last two years and here is how they stack up:

Styling RRS
Fit/finish RRS
Handling RRS
Leather RRS
Comfort RRS
HVAC RRS
Audo RRS
Acceleration RRS
Options RRS
Safety features RRS
Cabin space LC
Rear legroom LC
Suspension RRS
Cargo area RRS
Lift gate RRS
Fuel economy RRS
Predicted reliability LC
Off-roading capability LC

Now, I wouldn't trade my LC for a RRS, but neither would my wife trade her RRS for a LC.

The RRS, and many other high-end SUVs, beat the pants off of the LC in so many ways. That's why production numbers for the LC are low, and so are the buyers. But there are still buyers for the LC. It's a cult following type of thing. I'm definitely keeping mine.
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The current gen RRS that started in 14 has also held it's value pretty well. Locally a 14 RRS with ~45k miles that stickered for mid $60k is selling in the mid $40k range which is very good for any brand in that price point, but it's extremely good for any Land Rover product. I think they hit a nice sweet spot with that model, and I really like the one my coworker has. No one I know personally would own out of warranty however which is the most glaring weak point of LR.
 
mcgaskins said:
The current gen RRS that started in 14 has also held it's value pretty well. Locally a 14 RRS with ~45k miles that stickered for mid $60k is selling in the mid $40k range which is very good for any brand in that price point, but it's extremely good for any Land Rover product. I think they hit a nice sweet spot with that model, and I really like the one my coworker has. No one I know personally would own out of warranty however which is the most glaring weak point of LR.
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I’ve never owned a Rover until this one, and I was highly skeptical when we leased it. So technically I don’t own it - I was too scared.

But it’s been very impressive. The fit and finish reminds me a great deal of the old Mercedes sedans my dad used to drive. The doors open and shut with a solid thump. You feel like you’re boarding a vault. Paintwork is impeccable, leather is noteworthy, ride pretty good, and acceleration is sports-car-ish.
 
TexasHusker said:
I own a 2010 Green that just broke 100K miles today.

Just for kicks I went on cars.com to see how many 2010s there are for sale, and unless I am mistaken, there are 5 in the entire US for sale that are 2010s.

I used to have a Ferrari 348, and there were always more 348s for sale than that!

This phenomenon must be great news for resale value!
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I agree these are pretty rare on the secondary market which really helps residual especially after the first 1-2 years of ownership which has the steepest drop in resale value. I just pulled Autotrader data, and it shows 216 total pre-owned Land Cruiser 200 series (2008-2018, used or CPO, ie, not new) with an average list price of $54.6k. Just for kicks, I pulled the exact same parameters for a 4runner and got 6,840 hits with an average list price of $30.7k. I put together a table from used units on Autotrader below that's interesting to look at.

As a side note, there are exactly zero green 200s listed on Autotrader right now, assuming the people ticked the boxes accurately in their ad, and there are now only 3 2010 models.

2008-2018 used Units on Autotrader
Land Cruiser 216
LX570 398
Sequoia 1,258
4runner 6,840
Tundra 9,160
Tacoma 11,144
Corolla 16,457
Camry 21,659
 
TexasHusker said:
I’ve never owned a Rover until this one, and I was highly skeptical when we leased it. So technically I don’t own it - I was too scared.

But it’s been very impressive. The fit and finish reminds me a great deal of the old Mercedes sedans my dad used to drive. The doors open and shut with a solid thump. You feel like you’re boarding a vault. Paintwork is impeccable, leather is noteworthy, ride pretty good, and acceleration is sports-car-ish.
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People gasped when an Indian company bought Land Rover and a Chinese company bought Volvo, but both those brands have completely turned around and improved tremendously since. I'm impressed with both after seat time in the RRS and XC90.
 
mcgaskins said:
People gasped when an Indian company bought Land Rover and a Chinese company bought Volvo, but both those brands have completely turned around and improved tremendously since. I'm impressed with both after seat time in the RRS and XC90.
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I was one of the gasp-ers. I've owned around 50 cars since 1984 of most makes and models. The highest quality ones were a Lexus RX, GX, LX, Land Cruiser, a Mercedes C280, and this Range Rover Sport. I'd rank the RRS right at the top overall.

The lowest quality were a Dodge Durango, two Mercedes MLs, and a Mercedes GL450. The GL450 was the biggest trash pile I've ever owned.
 
TexasHusker said:
I’ve never owned a Rover until this one, and I was highly skeptical when we leased it. So technically I don’t own it - I was too scared.

But it’s been very impressive. The fit and finish reminds me a great deal of the old Mercedes sedans my dad used to drive. The doors open and shut with a solid thump. You feel like you’re boarding a vault. Paintwork is impeccable, leather is noteworthy, ride pretty good, and acceleration is sports-car-ish.
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Have you taken it in for an oil change? $750! The brakes on my wife’s RR are shot after less than 20k of Street driving. I’m just buying the pads and replacing them myself because if the dealer charges $700 for an oil change, I’m scared of what they’ll charge for a brake job.
 
Roy Park said:
Have you taken it in for an oil change? $750! The brakes on my wife’s RR are shot after less than 20k of Street driving. I’m just buying the pads and replacing them myself because if the dealer charges $700 for an oil change, I’m scared of what they’ll charge for a brake job.
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That’s weird. It’s $29.95 at WalMart.

Any dealer of any make is going to hose you.
 
Roy Park said:
Have you taken it in for an oil change? $750! The brakes on my wife’s RR are shot after less than 20k of Street driving. I’m just buying the pads and replacing them myself because if the dealer charges $700 for an oil change, I’m scared of what they’ll charge for a brake job.
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That’s weird. It’s $29.95 at WalMart.

Any dealer of any make is going to hose you.
 
Roy Park said:
Well there’s hosing you and then BF’ing you with your pants on. I’m more concerned about things I can’t do myself.
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Roy Park said:
Well there’s hosing you and then BF’ing you with your pants on. I’m more concerned about things I can’t do myself.
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Yeah I’ve got a good mechanic here that charges me the same labor for an oil change - from a Ferrari 348 to an Olds Cutlass - makes him no diff.

I don’t use franchise dealerships for work unless it’s warranty.
 
cc1999 said:
I have always found the 200 market interesting. As seen above there is never very many imported to the US in any given year.

Far less then some of the specialty limited production cars that some of the domestic manufactures come out with, of which typically bring thousands over MSRP like Raptors, Shelby Mustangs, etc.

However as for the 200 there is seldom a problem finding a decent $5k-10k off sticker deal on a new 200, no huge over sticker premium on 200s even though they are more rare then the other vehicles.

I have notice the 200 market also varies a lot on part of the country your in. The last used 2011 I bought and later sold, I paid $48K for it 2 years later after driving it 25K miles wholesaled it to dealer for a little over $40K that dealer sent to auction in Texas where I saw it brought about 43K it ended up back east I think it was Kentucky at a used car lot for sale for $48K again. They are vastly more popular in certain areas of the country then they are in other area's. My local dealer here in KS seldom has more then one on the lot, I bought my 2018 from a dealer in AR that had at least 6 on the lot.

I think a lot of it come down to lack of marketing from Toyota in US, and general consumer lack of understanding of what they are and why they cost so much.
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You hit the nail on the head. It’s mind boggling for Toyota to have such a legendary plate name and not use it in some way.
 
TexasHusker said:
That’s weird. It’s $29.95 at WalMart.

Any dealer of any make is going to hose you.
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Today, my Yoyota guy charged me $37 for an oil change. I can’t do it myself for that.

He usually charges me $41...which is still a great deal.
 
mcgaskins said:
The current gen RRS that started in 14 has also held it's value pretty well. Locally a 14 RRS with ~45k miles that stickered for mid $60k is selling in the mid $40k range which is very good for any brand in that price point, but it's extremely good for any Land Rover product. I think they hit a nice sweet spot with that model, and I really like the one my coworker has. No one I know personally would own out of warranty however which is the most glaring weak point of LR.
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Absolutely insane how RRS turned itself around in resale value. Had this been a decade ago, a 3-4 yr old RR/RRS would have been maybe 35-45% of its MSRP sticker price. I don't really understand...sure RRs have a "better" relability but they just aren't yet. I'm still not quite understanding why the 2013/2014+ redesigned Range Rovers have such a higher resale value.
 
cc1999 said:
I have always found the 200 market interesting. As seen above there is never very many imported to the US in any given year.

Far less then some of the specialty limited production cars that some of the domestic manufactures come out with, of which typically bring thousands over MSRP like Raptors, Shelby Mustangs, etc.

However as for the 200 there is seldom a problem finding a decent $5k-10k off sticker deal on a new 200, no huge over sticker premium on 200s even though they are more rare then the other vehicles.

I have notice the 200 market also varies a lot on part of the country your in. The last used 2011 I bought and later sold, I paid $48K for it 2 years later after driving it 25K miles wholesaled it to dealer for a little over $40K that dealer sent to auction in Texas where I saw it brought about 43K it ended up back east I think it was Kentucky at a used car lot for sale for $48K again. They are vastly more popular in certain areas of the country then they are in other area's. My local dealer here in KS seldom has more then one on the lot, I bought my 2018 from a dealer in AR that had at least 6 on the lot.

I think a lot of it come down to lack of marketing from Toyota in US, and general consumer lack of understanding of what they are and why they cost so much.
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+1 on everything you said there. LCs are so geographically niche. They basically only sell ok new in 1 - affluent areas of Texas 2 - Ski country (Rockies CO, ID, UT, etc.), and 3 - Some parts of New England. The Land Cruiser name also appeals to a much older crowd that grew up with 40s, 60s, and to an extent 80s series.
 
hickuptruck said:
Absolutely insane how RRS turned itself around in resale value. Had this been a decade ago, a 3-4 yr old RR/RRS would have been maybe 35-45% of its MSRP sticker price. I don't really understand...sure RRs have a "better" relability but they just aren't yet. I'm still not quite understanding why the 2013/2014+ redesigned Range Rovers have such a higher resale value.
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I'm at a loss, too. This is why we leased our 2015. Now I wish I would have bought it.

There's not much not to like about the darn thing. We had one "hiccup" very early on that the dealer fixed right away - some sort of suspension monitoring device went kaput. Other than that, we had to get a blind spot sensor module replaced under warranty. Through 50K miles that's it. And I've visited with other RRS owners and no one has expressed any nagging issues.

If you take a look at one of these up close and drive it, the fit and finish is remarkable. The kind you just don't see with cars much.
 
I don't know that it's the geography that drives the sale but rather the people in that geography. The folks that are the majority buyers of 200s are the highly educated, highly employed, folks who are also looking for a less-showy good value. They have $70k to spend, but they don't want to do it a lot and when they do they want something that will last. They're the folks that invest long-term, will spend a lot for their kid's education, but also look for coupons at the store. If we're being honest, you're more likely to see a sticker for their favorite alumni association or lacrosse team than one for ARB or Slee.

Those folks tend to congregate in the same areas. Look for those folks, and you'll probably find a lot of cruisers.

I think your typical 200 owner is likely fairly divergent from your typical RRS owner. Maybe nice khakis vs designer jeans in a way? Neither are bad, but they're easily identifiable in their own way.
 
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