I am surprised nobody mentioned the Datsun/Nissan SD33 or SD33T engine,my dad used to have several of these wich we used for working in the woods.They always had a loaded trailer behind them and my dad sold them always after 5 years when they had around 350.000 km on them.The engine and transmission where still perfect then but ofcourse things like Leafsprings,all the bushings,driveshafts and some little bul**** things like rustspots and so on where the reason why we replaced them.Most of these cars are still driving around today!!!If anybody wants one of these Nissan Patrol's they can be found realy cheap in europe and most of them have a 5 speed,powersteering and disckbrakes on top off the excellent engine.Back in the nineties when 1HZ's and 12HT's where to expensive I build myself a BJ 40 using the complete Nissan Patrol drivetrain this was the cheapest way to get powersteering disc brakes and a 6 cyl turbo diesel,I loved to drive that thing.
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They were in Scouts, too.
I'm unsure how available parts would be though.
I'm unsure how available parts would be though.
I know that Nissan in Chilliwack is still able to get all parts for the SD33. There's a guy there who has two of them still running. I'm not sure how may kms. I don't think the SD33T was sold in Canada.
You guys are funny (Dougal and Crushers) Who cares? IDI or DI it hardly even matters, although I enjoy watching everyone voice their opinion. I personally own a 84 BJ60. The odo reads 523,000 and it has had 255/85s for the last 110,000 so it has prob travelled around 540,000. It has been turbod for the last 80,000. It runs like a top- only leaks a small amount of oil and I have had to start it unplugged in Fort st John in -30 (or colder!!) and it still goes (not plugged in of course). In my opinion the 3B is an incredible motor and that's why I don't mind running the 'obslete' stuff. I have a spare motor if I need a oddball whatzit or hootis-riggin, other than that I just change the oil. There are lots of great direct injection motors too- Cummins 6BTA, Caterpillar 3406E and B, most Hino, Navistar DT466... There are many great IDIs too- 3B, 1HZ, volkswagen 1.6, Nissan 4.2L...I don't think I could take the liberty of making a blanket statement. I know you guys like to take jabs at each other but come on- it's in the overall design of an engine is it not? Now feel free to throw spears at me
agree? well that was boring ah well
haha
I guess the thread was 'simplest motor'. Why should anyone strive to have the 'simplest' motor though? I mean if it was all about 'simple' then a plain old B or H. No oil cooler, no turbo, no no power, no nothing....Heck-Did H's have a manual fuel shut off? Any of the motors I listed would get my vote for trudging accross any expanse of barren wasteland. Prob lean away from electronic just for the simple fact of not being able to plug in if a code trips. I am all for electronic- just like to be able to fix things with JB weld, haywire, silicone or duct tape when I don't have any services nearby.
hahaI guess the thread was 'simplest motor'. Why should anyone strive to have the 'simplest' motor though? I mean if it was all about 'simple' then a plain old B or H. No oil cooler, no turbo, no no power, no nothing....Heck-Did H's have a manual fuel shut off? Any of the motors I listed would get my vote for trudging accross any expanse of barren wasteland. Prob lean away from electronic just for the simple fact of not being able to plug in if a code trips. I am all for electronic- just like to be able to fix things with JB weld, haywire, silicone or duct tape when I don't have any services nearby.
I think the OPs origonal intent with focusing on the simplest motor was to identify those diesel motors which would be the easiest for a DIY to work on. Also, there is the assumption that the more complex a machine is, the more likely you will have a component failure that will cause the whole machine to fail.
E engines are great when new but once you need parts then pull out your wallet and unless that engine is common in the country you live in then try and find someone in back water USA to work on it.
i love 1 wire engines, either they run or they don't and if they don't it is easy to diagnose WHY it isn't running.
i love 1 wire engines, either they run or they don't and if they don't it is easy to diagnose WHY it isn't running.
agree? well that was boring ah well
I guess the thread was 'simplest motor'. Why should anyone strive to have the 'simplest' motor though? I mean if it was all about 'simple' then a plain old B or H. No oil cooler, no turbo, no no power, no nothing....Heck-Did H's have a manual fuel shut off?....
Well I don't f.....n agree with your put-down of the humble B and humble H here nate dogg ........... BUDDY!!!
My B does have a factory-fitted oil cooler thank you very much ... So your facts aren't even correct. It works perfectly well too but is just a lot simpler than the one on the 3B. (Perhaps its smaller size is why you overlooked this oil cooler?)
And as far as "no power" is concerned ....... I bet my BJ40 is faster (performs better) than the average BJ42 (without turbo) owned by people on this board. And the reason for this is that I keep my vehicle's weight down (by not carrying heavier aftermarket suspension, extra seats, airconditioning, power-steering, fat tyres, beefed-up bumpers, high-lift jack etc etc).
And this light-weight/simplicity also happens to give my BJ40 a further advantage in the rough-stuff off-road. I believe it is more able to bounce around and follow the direction I steer it ... rather than wallowing and being stubborn to change direction.
And "No nothing!!!!!!!!"
Sheeesh!
AS you may have gathered ....I'm a big fan of simplicity and love the look of an engine-bay that's tidy with wide-open-spaces.
Simplicity = reliability in my books.
And as far as "talk of dropping precups" by some here - I have no fear at all of this happening despite never having had the head off in 30 years of ownership. This confidence is based on having a spotlessly-clean and efficient coolant system with quality regularly-changed coolant over that entire period with NO overheating events EVER.
And I've ALWAYS felt safe from breakdowns when taking my cruiser solo on lonely remote trails even in atrocious weather.
So there!
He he. (I'm just trying to pretend ANGER really because to tell you the truth I couldn't give a sh%t about converting others to my opinion and I quite like the idea of being considered eccentric/nonconformist anyway.
)I reckon you're hatred for direct injection engines is as strong as Dougal's for IDI!
As has been said above, there are good and bad examples of both but where equivalent engines exist side by side, almost everyone prefers the direct injection example. More power, better economy, easier starting, better throttle response, the list goes on!
Oh, and 500k km isn't anything to shout about really. I've got a little VW 1.9 Tdi that's currently showing 320k miles on the clock with no engine work.
Jamie
nah, i don't HATE DI Toyota diesels.
they are fine if you like poorer fuel mileage, sensitive throttle issues off road... i have owned my fair share and ... well ... i like both the 13BT and the 3B turbo. i love the 12HT on road and the 2h+turbo off road and on.
it just irritates when someone dishes the old IDI for no real reason. both can last 500K, both can move a truck down the road, both are still better on fuel than a gasser ...
what isn't to like?
they are fine if you like poorer fuel mileage, sensitive throttle issues off road... i have owned my fair share and ... well ... i like both the 13BT and the 3B turbo. i love the 12HT on road and the 2h+turbo off road and on.
it just irritates when someone dishes the old IDI for no real reason. both can last 500K, both can move a truck down the road, both are still better on fuel than a gasser ...
what isn't to like?
This was an interesting thread until somebody left the nursery door open.
Lostmarbles, that Canadian accent kinda makes you sound like an idiot.
I won't bother arguing about the simplest motors but you don't actually need any electricity at all for the motor if you use a spring starter. I'd love one of these for a trail rig. Somebody makes a rope pull version that you could have coming though the floorboards of your Cruiser.
Lostmarbles, that Canadian accent kinda makes you sound like an idiot.
I won't bother arguing about the simplest motors but you don't actually need any electricity at all for the motor if you use a spring starter. I'd love one of these for a trail rig. Somebody makes a rope pull version that you could have coming though the floorboards of your Cruiser.
When a manufacturer makes a motor with dry liners I think it is a good indication that they've built it to last longterm. (Ooops perhaps I should have said "engine" to avoid offending those who think all "motors" are electric. 
.... I do recall such an argument proferred on the 40 forum.)
My B has those dry liners.
As a matter of interest, which DI engines feature dry liners together with an inline-type IP?
.... I do recall such an argument proferred on the 40 forum.)My B has those dry liners.
As a matter of interest, which DI engines feature dry liners together with an inline-type IP?
Dry liners.........is that like a dry, pressed in sleeve, into the block which forms the combustion chamber? My 8N Ford has those, very rebuildable and only 62 years old. My 3B has wet sleeves which are good too. I once had a Renault R5 that had wet sleeves. I suppose that little engine formed the basis for some small diesel in Europe what with some modifications because it sure was built well. Can the Toyota last that long?
When a manufacturer makes a motor with dry liners I think it is a good indication that they've built it to last longterm. (Ooops perhaps I should have said "engine" to avoid offending those who think all "motors" are electric.
My B has those dry liners.
As a matter of interest, which DI engines feature dry liners together with an inline-type IP?
Early 13B, 13BT, 12HT and probably 14B but all of these can be machined for liners.
13BT is my current favorite motor.
I'll bet that a 14B would run forever in a Land Cruiser. I have no idea why Toyota built IDI engines. Some of them were great but their DI counterparts were even greater.
I did indeed buy an engine-less BJ60 from Wayne that had over 700,000km on the odo. I've had at least 6 3B Cruisers over 500,000. No idea about the engine history of any of them. I did some work on one that showed 030,000 The owner said he bought it used but watched it roll over a million. The rig looked pretty nice but things like window regulators and door hinges were completed worn out.
