fj40charles
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What a surprise that something like this would come from a company that lacks ethics and morals... I'm doing my part by never buying anything from them.
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65swb45 said:
Chris?
Miller........or Geiger?
It would have to be Miller, since Geiger isn't in this thread.
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fj40charles said:
TG is doing well on www.fjcruiserforums.com lots of those folks are buying up FJ sliders and they are forum sponsors. Just an FYI, I know after what I've read here and on pirate, they don't have anything I need and won't ever.
no matter what happened and who is at fault they really lost alot of customers out of this mess.sad really sad.only reason why they lost me because i called the other eve.and some guy or kid did not catch on that i was really needing a lift for the front also
and i told him why would i lift just the back and not front .and he had no clue if i could order parts seperatly from the lift kit or not.i told him nevermind
and i told him why would i lift just the back and not front .and he had no clue if i could order parts seperatly from the lift kit or not.i told him nevermind
Hmmm...It just keeps on gettin' a little better
http://www.nowhitefenders.com/dusyershim_aug25_2k6.htm
This trip definetly got Trail Gear the advertising and publicity they deserved
http://www.nowhitefenders.com/dusyershim_aug25_2k6.htm
This trip definetly got Trail Gear the advertising and publicity they deserved
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that thread already got canned, but some of the "cover shots" can be seen here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=504036
sorry for all the cross posting. sometimes it's the only way to do it.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=504036
sorry for all the cross posting. sometimes it's the only way to do it.
orangefj45 said:
not exactly, Georg! I sent the no white fenders album and additional advertising poseur shots of Trail Gear's finest sponsored drivers to Del Albright. He's going to forward it to L.E. The funny thing is that alot of those shots clearly show the driver and license plates with the rigs off the designated route climbing over rocks, climbing trees, or parked in the streams as they sat in aww. And then if that wasn't enough, it names Rob, Andrew, Jay, Gabe, Tobie, Louie, Kent, John, Alex, Jason, and Nathan in the incriminating individual shots. I gotta believe Uncle Sam is gonna make a pretty penny from this event... As if they didn't learn from the first album posted.
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As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "Here's your sign!"
ummmmm, that'd be bill engvall.
you might be a redneck if :you get the catch phrases of comedians mixed up!!!
ummmmm, that'd be bill engvall.
you might be a redneck if :you get the catch phrases of comedians mixed up!!!
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The Beave is looking for you out back...
how can that little phrase elicit such fear and dread?
how can that little phrase elicit such fear and dread?
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orangefj45 said:ps, i love chris geiger's reply post #32 on that same thread. "you'll be back. you'll all be back".
that's some funny stuff. what an arrogant ass.
Georg, there are other options for that 10 foot stick!
I'd like to see the pics myself. I've met these guys in person and want to see for myself what the pics describe.
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Thanks in advance
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Thanks in advance
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you have a pm
I too wouldn't mind seeing the pics...
OrangeFJ45?
Thanks!
OrangeFJ45?
Thanks!
Orange,
Thank you for forwarding the pics.
I have met Hobie and hung out with him (used to own Ftoy36) and can honestly say he's a good guy that made a mistake. He will pay for it like a man and more importantly learn from it. I just know Hobie well enuff to know that much about him.
What I see though, is a much bigger problem. These pics reminded me of Bill Burkes open letter 2 years ago about what he saw at Moab and the total lack of regard for the enviroment with some wheelers.
There is a faction of folks out there with s*** way over built that feel that normal trail riding is boring, mundane, and not challenging. This comes from a lack of conciousness so profound that they only see things as a challenge (like the tree) and not as a object of respect. Stick to competing then.
I'm truley saddened by these pics, cause something so totally beautiful should never be treated that way. Ever.
Wish there was an easy solution to this, but there isn't. It's gonna take a "policing our own" to get it corrected and this incident will go down in infamy and should be used as an example for years to come.
The bizz behind the run, is just as guilty of everything I mentioned here, but unfortunately it's way to easy to point a finger at an individual for blame.
If I were the judge hearing this case, I'd assign 100 hours of volunteer work to the Forest Service for each offender and make them learn how to maintain a trail, what a rolling grade is, put some blood sweat and tears into the area and make an example of them.
Anything less, is not the learning experience these guys need.
Truley sad.
mark
Thank you for forwarding the pics.
I have met Hobie and hung out with him (used to own Ftoy36) and can honestly say he's a good guy that made a mistake. He will pay for it like a man and more importantly learn from it. I just know Hobie well enuff to know that much about him.
What I see though, is a much bigger problem. These pics reminded me of Bill Burkes open letter 2 years ago about what he saw at Moab and the total lack of regard for the enviroment with some wheelers.
There is a faction of folks out there with s*** way over built that feel that normal trail riding is boring, mundane, and not challenging. This comes from a lack of conciousness so profound that they only see things as a challenge (like the tree) and not as a object of respect. Stick to competing then.
I'm truley saddened by these pics, cause something so totally beautiful should never be treated that way. Ever.
Wish there was an easy solution to this, but there isn't. It's gonna take a "policing our own" to get it corrected and this incident will go down in infamy and should be used as an example for years to come.
The bizz behind the run, is just as guilty of everything I mentioned here, but unfortunately it's way to easy to point a finger at an individual for blame.
If I were the judge hearing this case, I'd assign 100 hours of volunteer work to the Forest Service for each offender and make them learn how to maintain a trail, what a rolling grade is, put some blood sweat and tears into the area and make an example of them.
Anything less, is not the learning experience these guys need.
Truley sad.
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Well said!
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yup, very well put.
from what i've beard about hobie through the boards and from common friends, he's not a bad guy at all and i for one give him props for coming onto a public forum to say "i messed up".
on the other hand, i have not seen anybody else come forward to say they were involved, even though there are pics of at least ten rigs doing the same type of stuff. shame on you.
from what i've beard about hobie through the boards and from common friends, he's not a bad guy at all and i for one give him props for coming onto a public forum to say "i messed up".
on the other hand, i have not seen anybody else come forward to say they were involved, even though there are pics of at least ten rigs doing the same type of stuff. shame on you.
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Haven't been able to see any ofthe pics for obvious reasons. Georg can I get those as well?
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I concur with all this.
I very much miss the days when wheeling was family exploration of back country, camping and fishing went with it, and all it took was 33's and a rear locker...
I very much miss the days when wheeling was family exploration of back country, camping and fishing went with it, and all it took was 33's and a rear locker...
JuttyShabango said:
Not trying to rehash this but here is the Forest Service investigation result:
Forest Service takes action on Dusy Ershim incident
Contributed by Andrew Esau
Thursday, 05 October 2006
On Monday August 28, the Sierra National Forest was informed by Trail Gear Inc. of Fresno, Ca. that pictures had been posted on the internet of individuals operating their vehicles off trail on the Dusy Ershim OHV Route. In addition, the Forest Service was also notified of the incident by the Blue Ribbon Coalition, local clubs, local businesses, and many others in the OHV community.
The Forest Service responded by completing an investigation of this incident. This has resulted in two individuals being contacted and issued Violation Notices.
To clarify a few things, the USFS would like to address some of the issues that were raised because of this incident:
1. The incident did not occur at a permitted OHV event where the permit holder would be responsible for the actions of its participants and any resource damage that the event may be likely to cause. The local company that organized this trail run did not meet any criteria that would require a special use permit. As such, all participants of the trail run are responsible for their own actions. We have found the individuals at fault and not the company holding the run. At the request of Trail Gear Inc., the company organizing the run, all participants were provided a copy of USFS Rules and Regulations, a map of the OHV route, and were contacted and observed on the trail by an OHV Patrol.
2. The Forest Service was informed of this group being camped on the dry lake bed of Courtright Reservoir. In order to protect the water quality, the USFS does not promote camping below the high water mark at Courtright. To address this issue in the future the USFS will have the lakeshore posted with informational signs.
The action that the Forest Service has taken, with regards to enforcement and education, has led to a positive outcome. The individuals involved in this incident didn’t just pay their tickets and leave it at that. They have apologized for what they did and have decided to get involved. One individual said he has learned a lot of things because of this incident and that it has made him more aware why certain rules exist. He was also surprised how protective the local community is of its OHV routes. The other person has said the best education he has gained from this is to learn the rules of the area. This has raised his awareness that the rules change depending on where you recreate. He also decided to start participating in more trail clean ups, became a member of CORVA, and has decided to contact the Four Wheel Drive Club of Fresno (who have the Dusy Ershim as a Adopt a Trail) to see if there is anything he could do to help them keep the Dusy Ershim a spectacular trail.
The Sierra N.F. would like to applaud the OHV community for pulling together on this issue. Instead of focusing on the negativity of this incident, it was refreshing to see the majority of the OHV community use this time to educate people on respecting our public lands, having good trail etiquette, and urging people to get involved with the clubs and organizations that fight for public access.
Andrew Esau is the Assistant OHV Manager for the Sierra National Forest.
Forest Service takes action on Dusy Ershim incident
Contributed by Andrew Esau
Thursday, 05 October 2006
On Monday August 28, the Sierra National Forest was informed by Trail Gear Inc. of Fresno, Ca. that pictures had been posted on the internet of individuals operating their vehicles off trail on the Dusy Ershim OHV Route. In addition, the Forest Service was also notified of the incident by the Blue Ribbon Coalition, local clubs, local businesses, and many others in the OHV community.
The Forest Service responded by completing an investigation of this incident. This has resulted in two individuals being contacted and issued Violation Notices.
To clarify a few things, the USFS would like to address some of the issues that were raised because of this incident:
1. The incident did not occur at a permitted OHV event where the permit holder would be responsible for the actions of its participants and any resource damage that the event may be likely to cause. The local company that organized this trail run did not meet any criteria that would require a special use permit. As such, all participants of the trail run are responsible for their own actions. We have found the individuals at fault and not the company holding the run. At the request of Trail Gear Inc., the company organizing the run, all participants were provided a copy of USFS Rules and Regulations, a map of the OHV route, and were contacted and observed on the trail by an OHV Patrol.
2. The Forest Service was informed of this group being camped on the dry lake bed of Courtright Reservoir. In order to protect the water quality, the USFS does not promote camping below the high water mark at Courtright. To address this issue in the future the USFS will have the lakeshore posted with informational signs.
The action that the Forest Service has taken, with regards to enforcement and education, has led to a positive outcome. The individuals involved in this incident didn’t just pay their tickets and leave it at that. They have apologized for what they did and have decided to get involved. One individual said he has learned a lot of things because of this incident and that it has made him more aware why certain rules exist. He was also surprised how protective the local community is of its OHV routes. The other person has said the best education he has gained from this is to learn the rules of the area. This has raised his awareness that the rules change depending on where you recreate. He also decided to start participating in more trail clean ups, became a member of CORVA, and has decided to contact the Four Wheel Drive Club of Fresno (who have the Dusy Ershim as a Adopt a Trail) to see if there is anything he could do to help them keep the Dusy Ershim a spectacular trail.
The Sierra N.F. would like to applaud the OHV community for pulling together on this issue. Instead of focusing on the negativity of this incident, it was refreshing to see the majority of the OHV community use this time to educate people on respecting our public lands, having good trail etiquette, and urging people to get involved with the clubs and organizations that fight for public access.
Andrew Esau is the Assistant OHV Manager for the Sierra National Forest.