Man-A-Fre Aluminum Radiator Replacement ( Some Photos and Some Data)

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Fine folks, I thought that I would supplement some of the radiator replacement posts where Ron Davis Racing (RDR) aka Man-A-Fre (MAF) radiators replaced the stock versions. Some thoughts in no particular order:

1. As always MUD comes through with wonderful advice - I essentially followed the path that others took with some variations for the safari turbo system. I found that it is indeed better to leave the left side bracket (USDS) on and remove the right side bracket (USPS) prior to removing the old radiator. I also found that its better to put the new radiator on the same way the old radiator came off with the left side bracket on and the right side bracket off - this helps to align things and it also saves some bumping around on the way in. I centered the left side brackets at the bottom and then I put the two "hidden bolts" in at the top and then I put the right side brackets at the bottom all of that loosely at first and then with the six main radiator bolts all torqued to 10 lbs. The RDR/MAF radiator is indeed a "bolt on" upgrade.

2. I used the bolts that MAF provided M8 x 1.25 x 12 for the top two shroud bolts but I found that they were too short for the main radiator brackets at the bottom and so I sourced some M8 x 1.25 x 16 which matched my measurements of depth of those threads much more than the 12's that were provided. Please note that you MUST use what was provided for the top two shroud bolts becuase anything longer wont sit right and could possibly harm the upper tank depending on if that captive nut closes off at the bottom or not. Anyway use the shortys on the top two and use nothing longer than 16's on the bottom end. I also used some loctite to give a little extra effort against loosening.

3. I tried to pay proper attention to the risk of hydrolysis and to that end I attached two ground straps from the radiator to the radiator support. I may add another two to the bottom brackets and connect to the frame somewhere where another captive nut is nesting. Right now my measured voltage is .303 volts. Not sure how low that can realistically go. Of course as always I thoroughly flushed the system with water and then filled with distilled water, circulated that a little and then drained and filled with 1 3/4 gallons Toyota Red and the rest distilled water so I was trying to reduce the electrolysis there as well. Please note that I'm not a nology maniac it was just that they had the braided aluminum wire with watertight see thru seal like I wanted. They happen to fit wonderfully well up top where I can so its not a bling thing as much as a practical fit to the purpose.

4. So far my measured coolant temperatures are approximately 2 degrees celsius lower in standing still traffic and 4 degrees celsius lower while moving. I have not had a chance to really push the rig but I will soon and will report the results. It is clear to me that this rad has more cooling capacity than my OLD stock rad. Of course it cannot be clear at all how it would work against a NEW stock rad. In any event I deliberately did not do anything at all to my otherwise brand new blue fan clutch just to maintain the scientific method and change only one variable at a time. My next measurements will be when pushing the rig as hard as ever and recording the results, then we'll tune the fan clutch and record those results. In any event the RDR/MAF radiator is really a wonderful work of art I hope you enjoy too.
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yikes that looks awesome, thx for posting pics

so in F, what temps were you at before and after? I'm running 190-195 consistently and 203 w/ pushed. Curious what yours is/was.

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turbocruiser,
it would be interesting to know what your temps are w/ AC on and high effort like a long freeway grade... see how it cools w/ it's really pumping.
I am assuming by your rig that the old rad was in pretty excellent shape. Great experiment- thanks

could you further explain the hydrolysis and nology wires?
 
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Nicely done Turbo.:cheers:

Still just a little to $$$ for me.:doh:
 
yikes that looks awesome, thx for posting pics

so in F, what temps were you at before and after? I'm running 190-195 consistently and 203 w/ pushed. Curious what yours is/was.

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turbocruiser,
it would be interesting to know what your temps are w/ AC on and high effort like a long freeway grade... see how it cools w/ it's really pumping.
I am assuming by your rig that the old rad was in pretty excellent shape. Great experiment- thanks

could you further explain the hydrolysis and nology wires?

Sure no problemo, what I want to do and what I will do is drive in a variety of conditions and report the temps. I can convert to F but my aftermarket Greddy Gauge is in C so I'll share both readings. I can clearly see that this rad can cool better than my old one which was in really wonderful shape, but, I have not fully finished the testing, and, I want to emphasize that I cannot compare this rad to the OEM rad as it would run when new. I also want to emphasize that for me the extra expense was worth it to eliminate the plastic tanks that I definitely do not like about all the OEM versions. So it was not necessarily to see super drop downs in operating temperatures because my operating temperatures where always wonderful anyway, ... , it was to replace an aging radiator whilst removing the negatives of plastic tanks. Anyways, thanks for the compliments and stay tuned as I post more and more readings. Thanks Again! :cheers:
 
Nicely done Turbo.:cheers:

Still just a little to $$$ for me.:doh:

Thanks Bro! It is not that much more than stock IMHO ~ $200 more IIRC.

Thanks Again! :cheers:
 
$800 is a good chunk of coin to drop on a rad...eep!
 
$800 is a good chunk of coin to drop on a rad...eep!

Well worth it in my opinion to get rid of the plastic tanks and that plastic bypass hose that tends to break.

Isn't the stock setup like 525 or something? I got the MAF for 775 IIRC.

:cheers:
 
Shawn, I don't see any foam insulation sealing the radiator like the fatory unit.

No I have not had the chance to add that yet. The shroud sits really tightly but there is a good 1/2 gap between the front of the rad and the back of the front clip that connects the two front fenders and everything else up there. The foam on my old radiator was more or less fine so we'll see what happens when I add the foam to the RDR/MAF radiator.

:cheers:
 
I will probably get one once mine goes...which is soon....arrg, more saving!
 
Shawn,

Did you notice the installed width I.E. the core width any thicker. Is the core any closer to the fan?

I ordered mine last night!

Thanks

Kirk
 
Shawn,

Did you notice the installed width I.E. the core width any thicker. Is the core any closer to the fan?

I ordered mine last night!

Thanks

Kirk

Kirk, the core width is indeed wider (by about .5 to .75 inches) but I'm not sure if it is closer to the fan, intuitively I would say yes but the brackets up front might be shorter so I'm not so sure if it is closer to the fan per se. If someone will measure distance from front face of the hub that the fan is fixed to, I'll compare it to the RDR/MAF setup. Thanks.
:cheers:
 
WOW ... one unexpected outcome ... I hesitated to post this prior to testing it out on several runs ... my new radiator cools off considerably faster than the old radiator after shutdown ... for example I have had several stops of thirty minutes or so over the last three days where my rig would drop down 10 to 12 degrees celsius within that thirty minutes after shutdown! It used to take at least an hour to show any significant drop in temp after shutdown. I think this is the all metal arrangement of the MAF/RDR radiator. I have noticed how much less heat the plastic tanks seemed to radiate than the metal tanks so I'm assuming that the new radiator sheds much more heat even without any significant airflow than the old radiator did. I do not think that is so much a function of age as it is materials. Anyways, I was not expecting that experience and thought that I would report to the fine folks reading. :cheers:
 
Well worth it in my opinion to get rid of the plastic tanks and that plastic bypass hose that tends to break.

Isn't the stock setup like 525 or something? I got the MAF for 775 IIRC.

:cheers:

Dan can correct me if I am wrong.

94 radiator is about $450 including shipping. More of $300+ difference, but I like it. :)
 
Dan can correct me if I am wrong.

94 radiator is about $450 including shipping. More of $300+ difference, but I like it. :)

Okay, maybe my memory is NOT the longest thing that I have! :D :flipoff2: :D

The question is really is the dollar difference worth it??? I'd say two things ...

1. "No" in the sense that the stock radiator is really good stuff already - mine lasted 154K miles and supported a turbo for 85K of those miles without ever going above 98 to 100/102 celsius on the hardest of hills. As others have already answered, I think the fan clutch is culprit in most of our overheating scenarios around here. Unless clogged with crap such as the mysterious "radiator sludge" that some rigs seem to have I think that the stock radiator is much more than adequate to support even a force induction vehicle and it is not the culprit in most cases assuming proper maintenance procedures were performed.

2. "YES" in the sense that some of my old fashioned mindset simply does not like the plastic tanks, the plastic bypass hose that tends to break when people put pressure on it, etc. Yes in the sense that I will actually appreciate any increase in cooling capacity that comes my way even if its minimal. And yes in the sense that this thing is truly a work of art in terms of form and function and that's admittedly impressive to me ... I love what Ron Davis Racing does across the range from vintage Porsche to the modern twin turbo vettes ... and I think that the first member here (not MAF) who sent the sample rad in for matching at RDR paid $1200 !!! :eek::eek::eek: At ~$800 it is a steal!

Anyways, this is definitely one of those things were some of us will say, "Hell Yes its worth the three hundred" while others will say "Hell No its not" and we'd all still be right. :cheers:
 
A product is worth what you will pay for it.
It's a beautiful product.

Is it worth it to me? If I had cooling problems or forced induction, I would say yes. As PM... hmmmm... individual choice.

Turbocruiser,
can you list stuff in F for us backwards USA boys? maybe I should google a conversion calculator... :)
 

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