Long distance expedition cruiser 80vs100
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First note that my statement says "to me". Others may have other concerns and that's OK.
From my past 5 years Cruiser experience I've learned that 80s and 100s rarely break even in the worst conditions. I would hope that a severe breakage like that not happen. If one did, I'd pay the consequences. Heck, ANYTHING can happen out there and sometimes they do.
You don't need premium in the 100 though the CPU will reduce power to avoid knock with regular. I buy premium 95% of the time.
Either vehicle if thoughoughly gone-through will do just fine for this travel. I'd make sure in a 100 the wheel bearings are tight and re-packed.
Make sure you don't have 60K on the steering rack if you run 35's and wheel the crap out of it (or replace it). Other than those things the 100 is a newer, an improved platform in every way and has proven more reliable. I'd take the new over the old. Me. I. John.A recent example...my son's '93. At 170K it's not the snorkelmobile it was 6 months ago. In rivers the engine sputters and when running properly again the tranny mis-shifts for a few days. I'm sure we could find things but hell I was running 6 months ago above the wipers and for several minutes with no issues.
A newer vehicle should have fresher seals. Heck, a 100 doesn't even have a distributor. I ride the same rivers in the 100 and it never sputters. My 80's sometimes do. Same scenario is true after engine cleanings. I'll just take the newer rig.
Not knocking....but I would never Expo travel in a 60 series. I'm spoiled. It's 80 or 100 only. It's cool how folks differ.
Now....if my '97 LX450 had 75K miles and the 2001 UZJ100 had 150K miles.....???? The LX might go instead. I'll just rebuild the cooling system first along with keeping far back from vehicles in front of me because of the brakes.
Cruiserdrew
On the way there
Not knocking....but I would never Expo travel
Understood!
OK-You're in Peru in your 100 series at 15,000 feet. You're low on fuel. You break a CV or worse, your front diff. You have your satellite phone.
Or-You are crossing the Sahara in Africa. A small rock spins up and tears the rubber of your CV boot. The grease leaks out. You still have 750 miles of desert to cross. You have your satellite phone.
Who are you going to call? AAA? The Shining Path? George Bush? NorCalDoug? That kind of travel requires a good deal of self sufficiency. I would not be so proud of your limited abilities!
Points well taken. The deal is though that no person can carry every possible part into every part of the world. If I went I'd rely on newly replaced parts and a newer rig and carry less spare parts, though they'd be key parts. (CV joint, etc)
What does one do in an 80 when something breaks in the Sahara or Peru and they don't have the funds to pay for rescue?
Heck....there's no 100% security on these trips. You play you pay. I can pay. (Though really...the only place I'd like to expo travel is in Australia. I can't see the trip worth the cost of freighting the 100.
WOW! Remind me never to ride shotgun on safari with John in his truck. 
Fair enough.
Willing to bet your life on that?
Just hope that the "baksheesh" don't just shoot you, sell your wife at the local bazaar, and strip your expensive truck for parts (this is NOT a joke if you're someplace like Mauritania, Angola, Congo (DRC), Afghanistan, etc.)...
I run exclusively premium. My truck does not run very efficiently on 87. And you'd be lucky to find even that in the 3rd world...
Improved for U.S style highway driving. NOT for extreme bush travel. Hell, the fact that I'd have to worry about the weak steering rack concerns me, let alone that fact that I won't be able to rebuild it in the bush or likely find another one to replace it.
Like we've all said, get a diesel with mechnical injection. With a snorkel, no more water troubles.
Again, get a diesel. Distributors suck. So do spark plugs (which the 100 does have). Actually, my 80 has newer seals, hoses, belts, bushings, and bearings than my 100, because I MAINTAIN the truck! Imagine that!
Fair enough.
Willing to bet your life on that?
Just hope that the "baksheesh" don't just shoot you, sell your wife at the local bazaar, and strip your expensive truck for parts (this is NOT a joke if you're someplace like Mauritania, Angola, Congo (DRC), Afghanistan, etc.)...
I run exclusively premium. My truck does not run very efficiently on 87. And you'd be lucky to find even that in the 3rd world...
Either vehicle if thoughoughly gone-through will do just fine for this travel. I'd make sure in a 100 the wheel bearings are tight and re-packed.
Improved for U.S style highway driving. NOT for extreme bush travel. Hell, the fact that I'd have to worry about the weak steering rack concerns me, let alone that fact that I won't be able to rebuild it in the bush or likely find another one to replace it.
Like we've all said, get a diesel with mechnical injection. With a snorkel, no more water troubles.
Again, get a diesel. Distributors suck. So do spark plugs (which the 100 does have). Actually, my 80 has newer seals, hoses, belts, bushings, and bearings than my 100, because I MAINTAIN the truck! Imagine that!
Page 1- simple, less likely to break, more parts availability, less downtime to fix =80 series
...and the orig. topic was...? Oh yeah, not that.
man ya'll are harsh on eachother. Quick question, the 105, that comes with what type of front suspension? I wouldnt mind a HDJ105 for expo travel. Brand new 2006 all speced out for long distance travel... my .02 cents. Now if its somewhere in US or Canadiananiana then im using my truck...your not ever really that far away from civilization. Then the Sat phone is the best option.
Now THAT's a good choice. Forget the petrol IFS 100, get the much superior (for expeditionary use) solid front axle, turbo diesel HDJ105.
hoser
SILVER Star
I think we can all agree on that, even Shotts. Only catch is we'll have to move out of the US to get one.
OK, for those who missed the drama, I had to close this thread because of personal attacks and/or inappropriate comments and clean up that plus some irrelevant stuff.
We'll try again. Please stay tech and friendly!
thanks
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We'll try again. Please stay tech and friendly!
thanks
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I believe that all 105s were NA 1HZ powered.
You alreay have an 80, so I'd stick with what you have in hand. I would do serious maintenance before driving any vehicle overseas, have a ton of spares, and definitely know how to work on your stuff yourself.
I'm assuming you have no actual plans as of right now to travel the world?
Cruiserdrew
On the way there
Thanks e9999
An 80 series is so similar to the Cruisers that preceeded it, that any Cruiser mechanic, in any country can fix it. For long term travel, I would carry axle shafts, steering parts, rear driveshaft etc. Anything that is easy to damage and fairly easy to replace. You can't carry everything, though-for instance a radiator is too big, and an engine is too heavy. I don't know how the auto of either truck would do in primative conditions, but if it broke, you probably won't be able to fix it.
On a 100, I'm not sure if the front is field servicable and it breaks too easily-when Snook broke his diff, to drive out of where we were, we had to disconnect the drive shaft and pull the drive plates. That's a temporary solution at best and would never work in the real 3rd world, since it leaves the wheel bearing open to immediate contamination.
Now if you wanted a vehicle to explore the nooks and crannies of the US and Canada, a 100 series would be fine. In Africa, the only Land Cruisers I saw were all diesel 60 series. There were way more Rovers (also diesel). Everything had a battered and well worn look to it. If you took a 100 to many places, it would be like painting a target on your truck and asking to be robbed.
An 80 series is so similar to the Cruisers that preceeded it, that any Cruiser mechanic, in any country can fix it. For long term travel, I would carry axle shafts, steering parts, rear driveshaft etc. Anything that is easy to damage and fairly easy to replace. You can't carry everything, though-for instance a radiator is too big, and an engine is too heavy. I don't know how the auto of either truck would do in primative conditions, but if it broke, you probably won't be able to fix it.
On a 100, I'm not sure if the front is field servicable and it breaks too easily-when Snook broke his diff, to drive out of where we were, we had to disconnect the drive shaft and pull the drive plates. That's a temporary solution at best and would never work in the real 3rd world, since it leaves the wheel bearing open to immediate contamination.
Now if you wanted a vehicle to explore the nooks and crannies of the US and Canada, a 100 series would be fine. In Africa, the only Land Cruisers I saw were all diesel 60 series. There were way more Rovers (also diesel). Everything had a battered and well worn look to it. If you took a 100 to many places, it would be like painting a target on your truck and asking to be robbed.
This is another fun 100 series forum thread....
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I think you hit on a key point that on a real expo you're not going to be by yourself. To me if your 100 or 80 or 60 series fails and between your entire group you can't scrounge up the parts and expertise you should have stayed at home to start with (unless it's catastropphic like a wreck). If you are by yourself, your a target no matter what you're driving!!! It's just a shinier target if it's a 100 IMO. A person or group for that matter expo-ing by themselves in a 100 would last a week at most in many 3rd world countries before they were donating their vehicle to the local warlord.
The 80 is lower profile and the 60 definitely blends the best. I'd have to take an 80 just to not look like I've got too much $$$, as long as the 80 looked roughed up and not shiny.I would feel most comfortable traveling in a group (4+) that has at least one other vehicle of the same model. You both carry spares and both are familiar with the vehicles. Of course PRO expeditions often carry a mechanic for just such occasions. Still gotta go with an 80 or a 60 though. Not just for parts availability or repair ease but also for the fact that folks have been fixing them for alot longer!
side question:
- both 80 and 100 would get their cats poisoned with leaded gas I imagine. At OEM prices, you'd want to remove them before heading out to third world countries, if you had to take either one of these trucks.
What would happen to their respective engines, performance, etc if you were to leave out the cats altogether?
- both 80 and 100 would get their cats poisoned with leaded gas I imagine. At OEM prices, you'd want to remove them before heading out to third world countries, if you had to take either one of these trucks.
What would happen to their respective engines, performance, etc if you were to leave out the cats altogether?
I think you hit on a key point that on a real expo you're not going to be by yourself. To me if your 100 or 80 or 60 series fails and between your entire group you can't scrounge up the parts and expertise you should have stayed at home to start with (unless it's catastropphic like a wreck).
Still gotta go with an 80 or a 60 though. Not just for parts availability or repair ease but also for the fact that folks have been fixing them for alot longer!
In our club's expedition outings, there aren't many 100's on the trail - in fact, Tad and I are the only ones rolling like that.
Now, if I had to chose the ideal expedition series, I'd be in the venerable 80 for reasons listed many times in this thread and not worth repeating...
