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VT,
No, the tax increase was some years ago , if I remember well it was around 2005.
But remember, it was not an overall increase. Only cruiser-like rigs were hit by it. :bang:
So only a limited group of owners was hit. This way the government didn't get the massive obstruction they would have encountered when they had changed the taxes for all owners.

And yes, being a retired pilot I know the difference between US and Imperial Gallon. I used the right numbers to convert from liters to gallons ;) :lol:
 
Reluctantly filled up at Superstore in Abby last night, but can't complain at 131.9 -3.5 lol

Comparable around there were 132.9 to 136.9
 
crushers said:
and that is the goal, to keep the owning of vehicles restricted to those rich enough to pay the tax ...
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It is social engineering at its best. I've seen it all, in the 15 years I spent working in Singapore. Back then, I think it was already $1.60 a litre for petrol. Road taxes were astronomical, and cars had a 10-year "life", after which they had to be "scrapped". You had the "freedom" to keep your old classic though, but the road tax would increase exponentially each year. Road tax was calculated based on the size of the engine or Cubic Capacity. A 1000cc car would be considerably less than a 2000 cc car. We had never seen a 4 liter car until coming to Canada. And then couldn't believe it when I saw it was such a tiny vehicle that doesn't even go fast, had poor pickup and wandered all over the road (Jeep YJ).

We noticed that people here drove slower, but had cars with ridiculously large capacities. Cars like mustangs would lose in a race with my 1.7 litre slightly modified Alfa Romeo...but I digress.

In Singapore, to own any vehicle, you had to bid for a COE (Certificate of Entitlement). There was a finite number of COEs issued each year, and the "big boys", that is, car dealers, would fight each other for the available COEs. COEs were again divided into types of vehicles and CC. "Open Class" COEs were like gold. It was not surprising to see the price of a COE be as high as 20 to 30 grand. This is BEFORE any vehicle is purchased. And then there's the Insurance and parking.

All in, to put a vehicle like the typical landcruiser on the road, you're possibly looking at over 100 grand.

And then, there's "Road Pricing" ala the gantries you see on Golden Ears Bridge, which will ding you the moment you enter any major road. All in, a trip to the downtown core from your home, could very well cost you upwards of $15 one way.

That's why when I heard they were thinking of implementing Road Pricing here in the lower mainland... I started enquiring about moving out. This one is a serious one folks. If its ever allowed in BC, it will be the beginning of the end of freedom as you know it. Take it from someone who's been there.
 
$4.29 us/gal Lewiston ID
 
Damn Prices, I just signed up for a cardlock.. lets try running B50 now... at least I'm guaranteed fresh and hopefully clean fuel where the Big Boys play lol
 
I just passed by the Cardlock in New West (before the Bailey bridge) and it was $1.45. What's the benefit of it?
 
markthemenace said:
I just passed by the Cardlock in New West (before the Bailey bridge) and it was $1.45. What's the benefit of it?
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Not much other than I can get B20 or B50.... just basically an experiment till my free fuel source comes online
 
kim said:
AND, the mayors are talking tolls on all the bridges to fund this transit.
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Fortunantly I believe there is still a law that says they need to leave one motor route over water tool free. There will also be so much public outcry over it that they will change there minds if it goes anywhere beyond a thought.
 
We need an audit of Translink. Find out where the money goes. Then comes accountability. Then only can come solutions.

When I first came to Canada and sat on a skytrain, there were large stickers on each door proudly proclaiming Skytrain as the "Number 1 in North America". Me and the wife couldn't believe it. If this was Number 1, what the heck was Number 2? A bullock cart?? Transit here is a joke. I can't believe we spend this much money to get this little.

Yep, get an audit done and find out where the money is being poured. There's lost of transit systems being run by cities literally hundreds of times more expensive than here. These transit systems are self-funding and run efficiently.

Case in point...when a train gets held up, the train operator is fined thousands of dollars. I think it was in the 6-figure region. Here, when we get some snowfall, and the train stops running, people are told, sorry, we didn't know snow was going to fall. Better luck next time. Geez, this...in Canada!!
 
When my fiancé lived down town we used transit all the time it was great, so much easier than driving there and finding parking. Now that we live out in the burbs we cant use transit, its just not time affective. I'm sure there is some sort of Audit system for Translink but the public does not get to see it, as is the case with most company's. There is always better ways of doing things, more cost effective, faster and easier for people. Unfortunately you usually only get to pick one.

Skytrain when it was first built here was an amazing system, it was way beyond anything anywhere else in North America. Now 27 years on its obviously not as other city's have caught up and surpassed its technology and service area. Sure would be nice if it was like Japan and there phenomenal transit system.

In the end its one of the many cost we have to pay living in the GVRD. If it gets to a point I no longer can handle it then I will move away. Fotunantly I live 10min from the border and get fuel for all my cars south of the line.
 
I agree Jeremy. Downtown is good for transit. (good, not great) That's the problem though, its just downtown. Everytime I look at any improvements, its always downtown. They wanna call us the GVRD, but really, all they (Vancouver) wants is our money.

I was comparing Skytrain with Singapore's MRT, also built about 25 years ago. They are light-years apart in operation. The whole concept though is in need of change. 25 years ago, they had gantries in the MRT stations. They're only NOW starting to put them on here. 25 years ago, they had a cashless system for the MRT, they're STILL not doing it here.

The bus and train systems were integrated. In the sense that you would get a discount for taking a feeder bus to a train station. I remember taking feeder busses for 25 cents, taking it to a train station and then taking the train to wherever. And then getting 15 cents back for doing that.

Of course, there was resistance to using a card, but when one got a healthy discount for using the card, pretty soon, everyone used the card! They even had a special card for tourists, took you to all the tourist spots, for a discount of course. :D

Yeah, I've been thinking of moving away as well. I heard from my daughter recently that her school's custodian (janitor) actually lives in Hope!! I was kinda surprised, but when you think about it, well, I bet the jam is non-existent from there to Maple Ridge, so he just zips along. With a diesel, well, they love long distance highway stuff anyway. :D
 
That is correct. But they also have accountability. The system they have could not have worked if they had an organization like Translink in charge of it. The CEOs of the transit companies there earn lots of money, but if they fail to deliver, they get fired. In fact, anyone who fails to deliver gets fired. :D

The way translink works here, they would've been fired long ago. The GE bridge management is one great example.
 
Yep both are great points, Vancouver geographically is a very hard city to provide effective transit too. Issue is you have a large urban sprawl broken up buy waterways they make pinch points all over the place. Couple that with the pockets of higher population (Surrey, Langley, Poco and Richmond) and the distances of low population between it can make it challenging I'm sure to keep effective and viable routes. Also all those areas have grown at a rate that has out grown every form of transport infrastructure. Try and drive from 200th and 72nd to 200th and 56th on any Saturday or Sunday it can take you 30-45min some times. A LRT system expansion like done in Richmond would help but the cost involved with those is amazing. I know right from the start with the expo line in 85 they planned to have it got right out the valley to Abby (with in 10 years we where told) and I'm sure that would have or would help. Issues with that is the migration of chime and land acquisition (think they have rights to the Fraser hwy core a door out to Langley though).

In the end it is for the most part what we are stuck with. Its hard to compare to city's like Singapore since there is I'm sure a much larger populous using transit like Japan. Also cost of rider ship I think you will find is about the same when you compare average income and so on. If you ride transit locally its much more cost-effective and easier to get a monthly transit pass. I had one when my fiance lived down town and it payed for its self x2 usually each month. I did not even live down there, was just there 4-5 times a week.

Living in Hope although viable for some is just not a sacrifice I am willing to make. It takes me a good 1.5 hours to get from my house in Langley to Hope do that 2x per day that's an extra 3 hours per day I would lose with my family. Its not worth it to me when I look at it that way. I will point out I work from home so it does not affect me as much as some but if that was to change it would not be worth the extra drive from Hope.
 
Hahaha yes, Hope is too way out there for me too. I just mentioned it cos the thought of moving out did occur to me too, and man, that's a long drive out! I like the abbotsford/chilliwack idea though. Might have to find a job out there to make it realistic. Ah well, one can only dream. :D
 
markthemenace said:
Hahaha yes, Hope is too way out there for me too. I just mentioned it cos the thought of moving out did occur to me too, and man, that's a long drive out! I like the abbotsford/chilliwack idea though. Might have to find a job out there to make it realistic. Ah well, one can only dream. :D
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Careful about Abbotsford. The stupid city council here keeps toying with the idea of joining the GVRD (AKA Translink). We actually have the GVRD running two large parks here.
 
In the Philippines, 53.5 php=1.24usd per liter. Its gone up about 4pesos in the last month or so
 
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