Light Racing 100 Series/LX470 UCA Group Buy @ Metal Tech

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That's a great deal but I'd pay a little extra to support a forum sponsor like metal tech.

I was waiting for a comment like this. When the price is close, I'm all for supporting vendors. I've spent many $1000's of dollars on products from various mud vendors. However, when a vendor is just reselling a product as apposed to making the product themselves, why not take the better deal?
 
Maybe this stat is published somewhere now...but I haven't seen it: Anyone know what the range of articulation/rotation, in degrees, is for the SPC ball joint used in these arms?
 
They may have been. I was working with SLEE and was quoted $ 525 just 2 weeks ago. There price just went up to $565 on line. I went in to see if they would match the price since I just spent 2K there last month. They said they would only honor the $525 price from 2 weeks earlier. They didn`t have the profit margin to match the price. " there words " I guess $75+ dollars to have SPC ship them from Longmont Co to Denver was not enough :confused:
 
Maybe this stat is published somewhere now...but I haven't seen it: Anyone know what the range of articulation/rotation, in degrees, is for the SPC ball joint used in these arms?

I didn’t bother to measure the angle of the dangle during my install, but check this out.

I removed the front shocks and torsion bars and cycled the suspension with a floor jack, compressing the rubber bump stops until the frame lifted off my jack stands. The hub traveled up and down 6-5/8”. The limiting factor was the range of motion from the upper balljoint stud.

I pulled off the stock upper A-Arm, bolted up the SPC A-Arm with the factory alignment cams zero’d in the 6 o’clock position (in relation to the pointy thing on the cam), positioned the balljoint caster cam in the recommended “D” position, and positioned the balljoint in the middle of the camber adjustment slot. Still, with the front shocks and torsion bars removed, the hub traveled up and down 8-1/4”. The SPC A-Arm provided an additional 1-5/8” of down travel (droop) over stock.

But check this out, now the limiting factor is the frame. At the bottom of the suspension cycle (full droop), the upper A-Arm hits the upper A-Arm towers welded to the top of the frame before the upper balljoint stud runs out of motion (see pic attached). One could say, just notch the A-Arm towers for more clearance. But unless your shocks are long enough, that extra clearance won’t matter. I bolted on a set of Fox 2.0 shocks and they are now my limiting factor, and as such, I now have 7-1/2” of travel. That’s 7/8” more than what I had stock. Perhaps a longer shock can take advantage of that extra 3/4” of travel that’s available.

At the alignment shop, the tech didn’t have to touch the driver’s side factory alignment cams at all. On the passenger side, he clocked the front cam in the 5 o’clock position, and the rear cam in the 5 o’clock position (looking from the rear, or 7 o’clock if looking from the front). Being that both the front and rear cams are in the 5 o’clock position, the A-Arm pivots centerline is just a tad off from being parallel to the frame, and that’s pretty good! Going to position “E” (or “C”?) on the balljoint caster cam would have changed the caster too much. For me, position “D” was perfect after the tech made the slight change using the factory alignment cams. The tech did adjust the toe-in slightly to straighten out the steering wheel. I asked for a printout with my numbers but his printer was broken, but everything lined up well and drives perfectly straight down the road.

P.S. I have no squeaks what-so-ever.

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To address the squeak I was talking about earlier, I'm not going to pin it on the product, I'm going to pin it on the pinhead installer who (most likely) didn't grease the bushings when installing the UCAs. I'm going to have to have a talk with those guys...
 
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I checked these out at SLEE yesterday and noticed the price has increased to $ 560 plus tax. During there introduction offer they were $ 525 just a week or so ago. I stepped up and ordered a set this morning BUT at a much better price.... I paid $ 449.12 delivered to my door. That is quite a difference. I found them at ULTRAREV.COM For $482.92 then googled a coupon for 7% off made them $449.12 with free shipping.

Dealers for SPC has to adhere to a pricing policy. If we fail to do so, we can loose the product line. On-line companies normally push the limits as far as they can go.

Added to that, they normally have no experience with the product and can not provide support, either pre or post sale on the item. If you are a consumer and you are considering the product a commodity and never need any of those services, then it is a great deal for you. However pre and post sales service is unfortunately not free.

Also, very few of those companies run installation shops. So they liability costs are a lot lower. We have to set prices and determine our margins on our complete operations.

At the price they sell that item, our margin would be so small that it is not worth it for us to bother selling that product. Even the time for an employee to spend on this forum is not free. So for any of the vendors that are here on Mud and support the community it is very difficult to price match box mover type websites.
 
SPC's are installed and it appears my Radfails are my limiting droop factor by far.

At full droop I have about 5" of shaft exposed up to the rubber washer. Once again my Radfails FAIL!

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That's 5" of exposed shock shaft. How much wheel travel are you getting (measured at the hub)?
 
SDC: Do you know for a fact how much farther the SPC balljoint is going to articulate? Looks to be at or very near its limit. Did you provide the exact extended length to Glenn? Otherwise it would have been just a guess where to limit droop...
 
I didn’t bother to measure the angle of the dangle during my install, but check this out.

I removed the front shocks and torsion bars and cycled the suspension with a floor jack, compressing the rubber bump stops until the frame lifted off my jack stands. The hub traveled up and down 6-5/8”. The limiting factor was the range of motion from the upper balljoint stud.

The only reason the LR UCA is bottoming out on the frame is because you are cycling the suspension beyond the limits. With the shock in place it is going to limit the amount of down travel before the CV shaft/steering goes into bind.

As far as the amount of degrees the LR UCA ball joint can go, it has more than enough for the limited range of motion the 100 series IFS system can cycle.
 
SPC's are installed and it appears my Radfails are my limiting droop factor by far. At full droop I have about 5" of shaft exposed up to the rubber washer. Once again my Radfails FAIL!

Did you get the extended front shocks? When I ordered, I had the TC uppers so I chose the extended version to work with the extended range of uniball.
 
The only reason the LR UCA is bottoming out on the frame is because you are cycling the suspension beyond the limits. With the shock in place it is going to limit the amount of down travel before the CV shaft/steering goes into bind. As far as the amount of degrees the LR UCA ball joint can go, it has more than enough for the limited range of motion the 100 series IFS system can cycle.

Idk about. The SPC ball joint only has 30 degrees of articulation from center. SDCs ball joint looks very close to that limit.
 
Idk about. The SPC ball joint only has 30 degrees of articulation from center. SDCs ball joint looks very close to that limit.

I'll do the same thing later this weekend and take fender hub measurements and also put a protractor up against the ball joint to measure the angle.
 
SDC...it certainly looks like you have most of the useable suspension travel from your pic in post #72. Looking at the dust line on the compression side of your shock shaft it appears either you haven't fully compressed the front end when that pic was snapped or you are at the real compression limit; maybe a little more compression to be gained...dunno.

And you could get a little more down travel/droop but at the end of the day what is it really worth on the trail? It appears you'll start getting negative camber effect if allowed to droop much more anyway...
 
Yeah, I noticed that my shocks appear to have not been fully compressed. I'm planning on hitting dirt this weekend to try everything out, including my new ARB front locker.
 

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