LC250 hybrid real MPG (2 Viewers)

[Roonie]

Standard 2024 3.5 Ecoboost is 400hp and 500 ft/lbs. Slightly better than the 3.4L GX 550....and best of all, you can order it exactly as you want it without someone else dictating what options you will receive. Novel concept in automobile ordering.

EPA mileage estimate is also 18 city and 24 highway...in a non-hybrid.

Too bad the wife has said no her next vehicle being a PU. I've already tried. But there is certainly nothing wrong with considering it as an alternative to the LC or GX.

Real world numbers are always different. The absolute best I ever got out of my new generation ecoboost f150 was 18mpg on a long freeway drive. Most of the time it was 14 in city. It never got to 19 no matter what conditions. And if I towed something the best I would get was 11 mpg down to 9 depending on headwinds in the f150.

I am hoping the hybrid on the toyota will push the numbers around 23 -25 on highway? That would be great in a 4wd SUV for me. I am trading in my truck for this.

 

[Jetboy]

That’s not oddball. An F-150 shorty is not too much bigger than a LC200. And it gets the same mileage as the 250 with a bigger tank and way more range. And gobs more payload. With a locking rear and torsion front diffs, a level, tall skinnies and a lightweight pop-top on the back you’ve got a compelling and nimble little long range camper.

The F150 is also lighter by about 5-600lbs (compared to a super crew 3.5EB 4x4 Platinum F150 at 5,096lbs or a 2.7 SCREW 4x4 5.5bed at 4,941 lbs).

My inlaws 2023 F150 consistently gets 22-24mpg at mountain west highway speeds - 70-80mph. It's stock other than a front 1.5" "level". Towing is about the same or worse than my Tundra though, so it really depends on what you're doing with it. Under load the EB is not so efficient. And it has a radiator smaller than a Tacoma - so they do tend to overheat on mountain passes towing. It's not all rainbows and butterflies. But they are pretty good trucks for a lot of people who mostly commute in them.

 

[MotoDave]

Manufacturers MPG figured are (by law) based on the EPA test cycles, which don't reflect real world driving conditions.

Dynamometer Drive Schedules | US EPA

This page provides the chassis dynamometer driving schedules and shift schedules used by EPA for vehicle emissions and fuel economy testing.

www.epa.gov

City driving cycle:

https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-10/uddsdds.gif

Highway cycle has a top speed under 60 mph

https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2015-10/hwfetdds.gif

 

[Adam R]

Weight really has little to do with mileage unless you are always going uphill and even then the effect is negligible. If weight were the downfall of mileage, then an 80,000 lb semi would get .35 miles per gallon (or something similar). In reality, they can get into the 9's which is pretty remarkable for a rig pushing that much air and weighing as much as they do.

And yes, the early hype was that the LC would get "up to" 27 mpg which many of us thought was a joke....and it was. It takes a certain amount of hp to move either the GX or the LC down the road at x speed. That tiny battery pack isn't going to do you any good driving down the highway until it comes time to pass something or give you a momentary boost up a hill. I can see it helping more in the city, but the effect on the highway will be minimal.

The I-4 is likely extracting more energy out of given amount of fuel, which leads to better overall efficiency, but it won't be by a factor or 30-50%. Maybe 10-15%, but I doubt much higher. Side by side, you might see 2-3 mpg improvement in the LC over the GX under identical conditions.

 

[rexington14]

So they estimated "up to 27" but it ended up being 25 highway. So they overestimated by 2 mpg. What's the big deal?

 

[Fort9378]

So they estimated "up to 27" but it ended up being 25 highway. So they overestimated by 2 mpg. What's the big deal?

To be fair, the estimate was 27 combined. However the articles I can find about the topic just cite speculative comments from a Toyota engineer. Hardly an authoritative source.

 

[Jeremy556]

To be fair, the estimate was 27 combined. However the articles I can find about the topic just cite speculative comments from a Toyota engineer. Hardly an authoritative source.

Last year, it was on Toyota's official US and Canada web sites. Although, those are about as reliable of sources as the National Enquirer.

 

[MountaineerLC]

So they estimated "up to 27" but it ended up being 25 highway. So they overestimated by 2 mpg. What's the big deal?

Dang sure a lot better than then 10.5 - 11 mpg I’m getting with my 100!

Of course, I can certainly buy a lot of gas for the cost of a monthly car payment!

 

[ikarus]

To be fair, the estimate was 27 combined. However the articles I can find about the topic just cite speculative comments from a Toyota engineer. Hardly an authoritative source.

It was posted on the Toyota site as well -

https://www.motor1.com/news/681600/toyota-land-cruiser-mpg-estimate/

edit - sorry just saw that I'm just repeating @Jeremy556

But yes I agree anything is better than a 200. haha. I remember hopping in my diesel 80 for the first time on stock 32" tires, driving for 400+ miles on a tank /20ish mpg. Coming from a 100 and 200 I felt like I was driving a Prius

 

[Fort9378]

It was posted on the Toyota site as well -

https://www.motor1.com/news/681600/toyota-land-cruiser-mpg-estimate/

edit - sorry just saw that I'm just repeating @Jeremy556

But yes I agree anything is better than a 200. haha. I remember hopping in my diesel 80 for the first time on stock 32" tires, driving for 400+ miles on a tank /20ish mpg. Coming from a 100 and 200 I felt like I was driving a Prius

Yeah that's what I was referencing I was just slightly misremembering the wording on where the estimate came from. Still. It was very clear it was an estimate. While 27 would have been nice I doubt anybody was basing "financial decisions" off of it considering official numbers came out before allocations opened up. At least I hope not

 

[ikarus]

Yeah that's what I was referencing I was just slightly misremembering the wording on where the estimate came from. Still. It was very clear it was an estimate. While 27 would have been nice I doubt anybody was basing "financial decisions" off of it considering official numbers came out before allocations opened up. At least I hope not

Yeah you would think so... most of us are going to ruin the fuel economy anyway with bigger tires and a lift. What's that Westcott 250 on 37s getting for MPG now??

 

[OSS]

I still think it’s possible to get “up to” 27mpg under certain circumstances for a little while on this vehicle.

But guys are saying “ I drove such & such hundred miles averaging 70-75 mph and my mileage was way lower”.

Remember folks “up to” is not the same as “average”

 

[Adam R]

1. My F-350 can get "up to" 99 mpg going downhill...but that is not the average mileage I get.
2. 25 mpg over 1000 miles? I seriously doubt it can be done, but feel free to post up evidence of such great mileage.
3. My wife averages 14 mpg in her 100 series and it's been doing that for the past 20 years for us. It's gotten up to 17 mpg on a road trip before, but the lowest I've gotten is 10 towing a 4,000 lb camper. Hers is even slightly lifted, but we've never gotten in the 11's or 12's unless we are driving through Wyoming at 80 mph and pushing a 40 mph headwind.

Just sayin'

 

[Jetboy]

Ram 1500 turbo I6 and F150 3.5 EB both getting 23mpg over 112 miles of highway around Denver. The LC250 should do better not worse considering how much size and capability it gives up to those trucks.

 

[Adam R]

112 miles is a data point, but give me 3-4 tanks and/or 1000 miles and we'll have a more believable number. Also, it begs the question why is the GX 550 mileage so dismal compared to either of these trucks? The mileage is somewhat comparable, but arguably better than the I-4 turbo in the LC which is pushing less air than either of these full sized trucks.

Also keep in mind the cab on the F-150 is the same cab structure that I have on my F-350 with some aesthetic differences. Frames, axles and a number of other things are different between the F-150 and F250/350, but they share the same cabs.

I will submit that I drove a new Prius rental for 300 miles and only put 5 gallons of fuel in it when I returned it. NVH was an issue for me in that car, but 60 mpg and overall performance was impressive and I was driving it to get from point A to point B, not hypermiling.

 

[Jetboy]

The non-hybrid 2024 Tacoma got 23 -24mpg on the same test loop. So, it was pretty decent as well. But it's also about 150hp and tq short and a lot smaller truck. The GX highway loop would be interesting to see. It's probably not the best test, but it's the best real world comparable testing I know of. I'd love to see what Toyota would come up with if it had focused on hybrid for efficiency not for a quicker 0-60 time. I care a lot more about the former than the latter. And the Ram 1500 runs a 5.6 second 0-60 without any electrification and gets 23mpg. The Tundra is just a bit slower even with the hybrid. Tundra is a heavier truck and in theory better built. But I still would like to see the hybrid pushing the mpg into the mid 20's.

 

[ZRTactical]

400 miles driven today on a brand new 1958 with 33” open country AT3s and roof rack. Average speed of 76mph. 17.3mpg using shell 93

 

[OSS]

400 miles driven today on a brand new 1958 with 33” open country AT3s and roof rack. Average speed of 76mph. 17.3mpg using shell 93

33” tires corrected for different diameter? Odometer/speedometer correction?

 

[ZRTactical]

33” tires corrected for different diameter? Odometer/speedometer correction?

The vehicle auto corrects with its wheel speed sensors and traction control. But yes… Speedo matches gps speed on phone and radar detector

 

[Oakleyguy]

The vehicle auto corrects with its wheel speed sensors and traction control. But yes… Speedo matches gps speed on phone and radar detector

I've never heard this before. Unless there's an option to manually add tire size, I doubt on-board GPS is accurate enough to calibrate speed correction.