KING Springs

Fireguy · Nov 16, 2011

So if they are progressive does that mean they will ride smoother than say Slee springs?

Peluo · Nov 16, 2011

King coils spec's

Here are some specs for the King coils that the sales rep. in OZ send me after I phone for some questions.
I am looking for coils in the 3"-4"lift, but i keep reading that Australian suspension lift for the 80's are 1" higher than the USA rating for lift's example: A lift that is said to lift 3" in Australian market would lift 4" in a USA spec 80 series. The only explanation that I can think of in my head is, that the OZ spec 80 series is 1" higher from the factory.
Please, can somebody confirm this thinking? or am I wrong?
I am looking for 1" higher that my current lift 850 OME front and 864 OME rear, that are rated to lift 2.5" in a USA spec 80.

PART NO FREE HEIGHT I/D TOTAL COILS THICKNESS KTRR-70HHD 480-490 140MM 7.15 20MM
KTRR-70SP3 480-490 140MM 7.7 19MM
KTRR-70SP4 505-515 140MM 7.7 19MM
KTFR-69HHD 515-525 118 9.86 18MM
KTFR-69HD 515-525 118 9.9 17MM
KTFR-69SP3 505-515 118 9 18MM
KTFR-69SP4 530-540 118MM 9 18MM
KTFR-94HD 460-470 118MM 9.9 19MM

KING SPRINGWORKS PTY LTD

this are not all of them, I only ask for -4" lift, they have also 5" and 7" coils

Ebag333 · Nov 16, 2011

Fireguy said:
So if they are progressive does that mean they will ride smoother than say Slee springs?

It means the heavier the load the stiffer they get.

Does that mean the ride is smoother? Maybe, maybe not.

I e-mailed the company and got this response:

If those part numbers are listed as progressive, then they are truly progressive. King Springworks Progressive rate springs are a tapered wire coil. Not the type we generaly see here in the U.S. with the tight winds at the top that deaden in each other to cause the rise in rate. The tapered wire progressive spring is smoother and more consistant due the tapered wire.

If listed for say the 4" lift, they give a range of 3" to 4" dependent on added equipment or accessories. They don't publish the rate spread on these.

Regards,

Steve Chase
Makin' Trax Suspension

Peluo · Nov 16, 2011

lol cut and paste sometimes omits the speces :whoops:
PART NO FREE HEIGHT I/D T. COILS THICKNESS
KTRR-70HHD 480-490 140MM 7.15 20MM
KTRR-70SP3 480-490 140MM 7.7 19MM
KTRR-70SP4 505-515 140MM 7.7 19MM
KTFR-69HHD 515-525 118MM 9.86 18MM
KTFR-69HD 515-525 118MM 9.9 17MM
KTFR-69SP3 505-515 118MM 9 18MM
KTFR-69SP4 530-540 118MM 9 18MM
KTFR-94HD 460-470 118MM 9.9 19MM

T. COILS= Totals coils=turns=wounds=etc. :cheers:

Peluo · Nov 16, 2011

wow the forum auto compress the blank spaces, hard to do a table. Is there a way to stop this?

Ebag333 · Nov 16, 2011

Peluo said:
wow the forum auto compress the blank spaces, hard to do a table. Is there a way to stop this?

Try using

Code:

 and [[b][/b]/code]

Peluo · Nov 16, 2011

PART NO_____FREE HEIGHT___I/D____T. COILS__THICKNESS
KTRR-70HHD____480-490____140MM____7.15_______20MM
KTRR-70SP3_____480-490____140MM____7.7________19MM
KTRR-70SP4_____505-515____140MM____7.7________19MM
KTFR-69HHD____515-525____118MM____9.86_______18MM
KTFR-69HD_____ 515-525____118MM____9.9________17MM
KTFR-69SP3_____505-515____118MM____9__________18MM
KTFR-69SP4_____530-540____118MM____9__________18MM
KTFR-94HD_____ 460-470____118MM____9.9_________19MM

Third time's the charm :bounce2:

silverhorse · Nov 16, 2011

I have a chart they sent me ,for some reason the colors dont work out when i try to upload it here. I can e-mail it to somebody , maybe you guys will have better luck posting it. From what I was told the only progressive available is in a 1-2"

Bill

silverhorse · Nov 16, 2011

Got the tires mounted. 35" trexus, One shot with flares, one without...

Ebag333 · Nov 16, 2011

Silverhorse sent me this (see image).

I converted it to text:

Code:

Model		Rate 1	Rate 2		LH900	LH1200	LH1400	LH1600	Free Height	Coils	Thickness

FRONT (118 mm ID)
KTFL-94		195	240		265	-	-	-	385-395
KTFS-94C	175	-		355	-	-	-	475-485
KTFS-94		240	-		355	-	-	-	460-470
KTFS-69		240	-		370	335	-	-	475-485
KTFS-69C	175	-		375	340	-	-	495-505
KTFS-69HD	280	-		375	345	-	-	460-470
KTFS-94HD	340	-		390	365	-	-	460-470		9.9	19mm
KTFR-69		240	-		390	355	-	-	495-505
KTFR-69C	175	-		395	360	-	-	515-525
KTFR-69HD	240	-		415	385	-	-	515-525		9.9	17mm
KTFR-69SP3	300	-		425	400	-	-	505-515		9	18mm
KTFR-69HHD	290	-		435	410	-	-	515-525		9.86	18mm
KTFR-69SP4	300	-		450	425	-	-	530-540		9	18mm
KTFR-69SP5	300	-		485	460	-	-	555-565
KTFR-69SP7	300	-		535	510	-	-	605-615

REAR (140 mm ID)
KTRL-95		150	310		255	-	-	-	370-380
KTRL-95SP	175	300		285	-	-	-	420-430
KTRS-95		200	-		325	-	-	-	445-455
KTRS-95C	150	250		325	-	-	-	470-480
KTPR-95		150	290		335	-	-	-	440-450
KTRS-70C	150	250		345	315	-	-	490-500
KTRS-70		200	-		350	310	285	260	460-470
KTRR-70		200	-		365	330	305	280	480-490
KTPR-70		200	290		365	330	310	290	485-495
KTRR-70C	150	250		375	335	-	-	510-520
KTRS-70HD	305	-		385	360	345	330	460-470
KTRR-70SP3	250	-		400	370	350	330	480-490		7.7	19mm
KTRR-70HD	305	-		405	380	365	350	480-490
KTRR-70HDD	385	-		420	400	390	375	480-490		7.15	20mm
KTRR-70SP4	250	-		425	395	375	355	505-515		7.7	19mm
KTRR-70SP5	280	-		450	420	400	380	530-540
KTRR-70SP7	280	-		510	480	460	440	605-615

Key:

If a spring has two rates listed, it's progressive. LH900/LH1200/LH1400/LH1600 is the load height with various weights.

Found this on one of King's PDF's. Give you an idea of how to guestimate how long the springs are:

NOTE: KTFR-69SP3/4/5/7 & KTRR-70SP3/4/5/7 SPRINGS AVAILABLE FOR L/CRUISER 80-100 SERIES
THE ABOVE PART NOS ARE 3",4",5"AND 7" LIFT APPROXIMATELY.

I'm assuming this is all in KG and MM.

Please feel free to point out any lines I missed or goofed on.

I also added Peluo's information.

winstonclein · Nov 17, 2011

silverhorse said:
Got em' and one day early! Thanks, Steve

FYI, These are the 4" springs. The fronts measure 21" and the rear are 20.5"

Silverhorse

I always thought King Springs were yellow? If you bought king Springs set I have never seen them black.

Sorry if I am mistaken and I just had time to read the whole threat and noticed you got them black.

keep us posted to see results on your new lift and congrats looking good truck

silverhorse · Nov 17, 2011

I thought they were yellow as well, until mine arrived :meh:

atomicshawn · Nov 17, 2011

silverhorse said:
Got the tires mounted. 35" trexus, One shot with flares, one without...

Glad to see you finally got some tread under that truck! Your old tires were giving me anxiety :frown:

silverhorse · Nov 17, 2011

atomicshawn said:
Glad to see you finally got some tread under that truck! Your old tires were giving me anxiety

atomicshawn · Nov 17, 2011

Did I miss something, or has anyone stated how this is possible?

(I'm not buying the dingo excretion hypothesis)

silverhorse said:
Note front still has heaps of flex in it even with std arms.

atomicshawn · Nov 17, 2011

^^^ and I want that bumper.

Ebag333 · Nov 17, 2011

atomicshawn said:
Did I miss something, or has anyone stated how this is possible?

(I'm not buying the dingo excretion hypothesis)

The truck is just balanced in such a way that it forces the front to flex more than typical. (I also like that bumper.)

This isn't quite as much, but close to it.

Another example:

atomicshawn · Nov 18, 2011

Ebag333 said:
The truck is just balanced in such a way that it forces the front to flex more than typical. (I also like that bumper.)

This isn't quite as much, but close to it.

Hhhmmm... yeah... I don't know E. Eyeballing where the tires are lining up with the bodies in those photos, it doesn't seem to be a very close comparison to me. Angle of the camera, or trick of the light? Maybe. But I'd say there is something else going on.

...I wonder if he would trade a not-so-gently-used ARB bumper and a pair of straight factory running boards for that bumper.

LandCruiserPhil · Nov 19, 2011

atomicshawn said:
Hhhmmm... yeah... I don't know E. Eyeballing where the tires are lining up with the bodies in those photos, it doesn't seem to be a very close comparison to me. Angle of the camera, or trick of the light? Maybe. But I'd say there is something else going on.

...I wonder if he would trade a not-so-gently-used ARB bumper and a pair of straight factory running boards for that bumper.

^^agree, not close

I would this is close but it has custom this and custom that for a front end

Ebag333 · Nov 19, 2011

atomicshawn said:
Hhhmmm... yeah... I don't know E. Eyeballing where the tires are lining up with the bodies in those photos, it doesn't seem to be a very close comparison to me. Angle of the camera, or trick of the light? Maybe. But I'd say there is something else going on.

...I wonder if he would trade a not-so-gently-used ARB bumper and a pair of straight factory running boards for that bumper.

LandCruiserPhil said:
^^agree, not close

I would this is close but it has custom this and custom that for a front end

Meh, pretty close.

How about this? AFAIK stock but no front sway bar.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/534611-flex-withou-front-sway-moab.html

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