Keep Your 200 (2 Viewers)

[rexington14]

The automotive "decline" started a long time ago, roughly coinciding with the development and introduction of the emissions and fuel economy compromised UR engines.

But new cars do seem much worse now... like all things have gone to crap at once with this most recent generation of vehicles, versus individual things slowly declining over the past decade or two.

Drive an early/mid 2000's (peak Toyota) model then immediately sit in and drive the latest 2025 of the same or similar model. It's just a complete and drastically different driving experience... it's mostly worse.

 

[gasman4u]

The automotive "decline" started a long time ago, roughly coinciding with the development and introduction of the emissions and fuel economy compromised UR engines.

But new cars do seem much worse now... like all things have gone to crap at once with this most recent generation of vehicles, versus individual things slowly declining over the past decade or two.

Drive an early/mid 2000's (peak Toyota) model then immediately sit in and drive the latest 2025 of the same or similar model. It's just a complete and drastically different driving experience... it's mostly worse.

Agreed.

Something something slowly...then all at once....?

 

[ryanCA]

The automotive "decline" started a long time ago, roughly coinciding with the development and introduction of the emissions and fuel economy compromised UR engines.

But new cars do seem much worse now... like all things have gone to crap at once with this most recent generation of vehicles, versus individual things slowly declining over the past decade or two.

Drive an early/mid 2000's (peak Toyota) model then immediately sit in and drive the latest 2025 of the same or similar model. It's just a complete and drastically different driving experience... it's mostly worse.

do people who buy new cars, don't care about the worse versions of the cars?

 

[rexington14]

people who buy new cars just really really really hate paying mechanics

 

[OregonLC]

I call this the airline seat problem. Every industry has it. People say they want bigger, more comfortable seats with more legroom. But what they buy is 17" wide seats with a 30" pitch.

Same with vehicles. People say they want quality and durability but what sells is style and tech.

 

[gasman4u]

I call this the airline seat problem. Every industry has it. People say they want bigger, more comfortable seats with more legroom. But what they buy is 17" wide seats with a 30" pitch.

Same with vehicles. People say they want quality and durability but what sells is style and tech...and CHEAP!

fixed the last sentence for you.

 

[LTSR]

TiL that certain Lexus models have built in PTC heating elements in the dash vents so they can get hot air immediately instead of waiting for the engine to warm up like us poors @ryanCA

Positive Temperature Coefficient Heater? 2015 200

One of the features of the LC is a "Positive Temperature Coefficient Heater", which supposedly passes air over a heated ceramic element to provide near instantaneous heat in "extremely cold" conditions. Is there a way to manually operate that system or is it automatic and triggered by some...

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[coleAK]

fixed the last sentence for you.

i don’t know about cheap, new GX550’s are about the same price new as LX570’s were new in 2022. Half ton trucks are $70K+, heck Tacomas are $50-$70k+

 

[Hardazclay]

people who buy new cars just really really really hate paying mechanics

And/or don't know or don't want to work on their vehicles. Like someone mentioned previously. Vehicles have become disposable appliances.

 

[coleAK]

And/or don't know or don't want to work on their vehicles. Like someone mentioned previously. Vehicles have become disposable appliances.

My buddy owns a large auto repair shop. He said the minor things people come to him for these days is shocking (like Changing wiper blades), things that are very easy DIY, 10-15 years they never had people ask them to do. And mentions the major things people ignore for a long time (as they are oblivious of).

 

[eatSleepWoof]

My buddy owns a large auto repair shop. He said the minor things people come to him for these days is shocking (like Changing wiper blades), things that are very easy DIY, 10-15 years they never had people ask them to do. And mentions the major things people ignore for a long time (as they are oblivious of).

Downstream effect of "convenience services" like food home delivery from any/every restaurant, groceries deliveries, etc. People get used to never having to do anything for themselves. They lose not only the hands-on skills, but the critical thought that goes into it, the confidence of being able to solve a problem they've never dealt with before, etc.

(I honestly don't understand how people rationalize paying $10-25 for someone to deliver them - already extremely expensive - fast food.)

We're watching the 1923 series right now (prequel spin-off from Yellowstone) and there was a scene in which the main family went into town and came across a salesman peddling the first electrical appliances (washing machine, stove, etc.) along with electricity itself. One of the main characters said something along the lines of "if we buy all these conveniences, we will end up living and working for them and for the banks, instead of for ourselves." I'm butchering the exact quote, but the thought definitely resonated with me when I heard it. The more conveniences you accept as part of your daily life, the less self-reliant you become, the more enslaved (to technology, to debts, to "the economy," etc.) you get. It's important to have a self-defined and self-enforced measure of "I have enough."

So yeah, keep your 200, the Duttons said so.

 

[ryanCA]

people who buy new cars just really really really hate paying mechanics

aaaah got it! They rather have $16/hr mechanics rebuild their V6TT once the bearings let go

 

[ryanCA]

fixed the last sentence for you.

agree with you. Cheap is what I want... I would fly standing up if it was cheaper and they would let me. When I am in japan I have to pay boatlods of $$ to ride the shinkansen. When I am in Dhaka, I can ride the roof of the trains for free..

 

[ryanCA]

i don’t know about cheap, new GX550’s are about the same price new as LX570’s were new in 2022. Half ton trucks are $70K+, heck Tacomas are $50-$70k+

I love my 01 Taco 4 door. I paid 43K for my 2022 Taco DCLB 4x4 OR, since in CA it is illegal to buy a SR5 DCLB. I thoght that was aa lot..

70k for mexican built garbage tacos are insane.

My 01 taco is 10000000000000000x the quality my crappy 2022 is

 

[ryanCA]

And/or don't know or don't want to work on their vehicles. Like someone mentioned previously. Vehicles have become disposable appliances.

most people I know... do the Return on time calculation

they can make $$2500 for taking a call.. they would not want to spend the same time doing a head gasket

then again they are smarter than I am

 

[ryanCA]

Downstream effect of "convenience services" like food home delivery from any/every restaurant, groceries deliveries, etc. People get used to never having to do anything for themselves. They lose not only the hands-on skills, but the critical thought that goes into it, the confidence of being able to solve a problem they've never deal with before, etc.

(I honestly don't understand how people rationalize paying $10-25 for someone to deliver them - already extremely expensive - fast food.)

We're watching the 1923 series right now (prequel spin-off from Yellowstone) and there was a scene in which the main family went into town and came across a salesman peddling the first electrical appliances (washing machine, stove, etc.) along with electricity itself. One of the main characters said something along the lines of "if we buy all these conveniences, we will end up living and working for them and for the banks, instead of for ourselves." I'm butchering the exact quote, but the thought definitely resonated with me when I heard it. The more conveniences you accept as part of your daily life, the less self-reliant you become, the more enslaved (to technology, to debts, to "the economy," etc.) you get. It's important to have a self-defined and self-enforced measure of "I have enough."

So yeah, keep your 200, the Duttons said so.

I know of newphews and nieces who spent that money to get a coffee delivered to their house whil they sit on thier a$$ watching Billions on TV...

Thats just hte generation...

Same people who put 37s on a LC to make them look cool

 

[rexington14]

aaaah got it! They rather have $16/hr mechanics rebuild their V6TT once the bearings let go

if it's free? yes.

 

[ryanCA]

if it's free? yes.

nothing in the world is free..

it will be out of warranty and that motor will go kaput


i had a warranty do a full wiring harness on my tacoma.. $8400. truck was never the same after these illeterate dealer monkeys touched it.
Lemon law'd it

yup lemon LAW A TACOMA!!!! That is where Toyota is now

 

[rexington14]

nothing in the world is free..

it will be out of warranty and that motor will go kaput


i had a warranty do a full wiring harness on my tacoma.. $8400. truck was never the same after these illeterate dealer monkeys touched it.
Lemon law'd it

yup lemon LAW A TACOMA!!!! That is where Toyota is now

they'll be in a new one by then

 

[ryanCA]

they'll be in a new one by then

yes and chumps will buy them and post on Mud how the 250 sucks and has engine problems

and we can sit back and say we told you so and laugh at their lack of intelligence in buying a proper LC in the first place