It has served me well while it lasted....

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Here in Alaska we’d drive that another 10 years.
"just a flesh wound."

If the guy was charged with a DWI and the car was totaled I would sue for the full cost of a replacement. Even if it's more than the purchase pric due to market conditions. If your not greedy and don't tack on pain and suffering and other things like that it won't even go to court. The insurance company will look at as win and just settle. DWI cases are a gold mine for lawyers and avoiding an expensive drawn out case, that they will lose, is exactly what the offenders insurance wants to avoid. Don't feel guilty suing him if he was intoxicated. Thank god he hit a tank that could take the impact. He could have killed someone.

But damn! That Ford met it's match.
 
I’ve seen insurance companies fix far worse. Glad the family is ok.
 
I agree about suing this MOFO! I have zero sympathy for people who make the decision to drink and drive. It’s a good thing they didn’t listen to your wife and let him go. It’s daylight when he hit you and without a doubt it’s not the first time he’s driven drunk. Make him pay, the only way to learn a valuable lesson. God bless the police for taking him in.
 
If the process for this is anything like total loss due to theft, insurance will rate the value of your 200 on a number of different factors, like condition, etc. The rating of each of those factors is partly how they determine the value of your vehicle.

It’s all negotiable and they will likely come in low. Fight them on every single one.
 
If the process for this is anything like total loss due to theft, insurance will rate the value of your 200 on a number of different factors, like condition, etc. The rating of each of those factors is partly how they determine the value of your vehicle.

It’s all negotiable and they will likely come in low. Fight them on every single one.
This. Every insurance company is different as is every vehicle, at least to some extent (mileage, wear, current market, etc). Insurance companies will often come in at the low end of FMV. You should absolutely make sure you find a comparable vehicle you'd purchase and use that as your own internal starting point. I would push the number further and demand $ over and above FMV particularly in this instance where you'll end up paying tax, title, registration, etc fees on a new vehicle... not sure about your area but that's about 8% above purchase price here.

The tough thing will be finding another vehicle with 234k in similar condition. They're out there, but they're not a dime a dozen.

FWIW I do agree insurance will likely total your vehicle. That said, depending on what they offer you, and what your plan is, it may be possible to rebuild and have a frame shop repair it. I'm not an auto rebuilder though and then you're dealing with a salvage title, so it's probably not worth the effort.
 
After dealing with, and still dealing with, the consequences of being hit by another driver, I'm a firm believer that if you are in an accident cause by another driver that you seek medical attention immediately. If there are injuries and if you delay in seeking treatment, it's going to make it more difficult in obtaining reimbursement/compensation from the at-fault driver. It doesn't take much to get a serious back/neck injury from a collision.

I was driving 20mph when the moron hit me on the side, and doing about 5mph when he hit me from behind. As a result the C5-6 disc suffered a serious injury to the point I needed disc replacement surgery.

Consider talking to your family doctor. If there is a HINT of pain from any of your family, it would be very wise to seek medical oversight quickly.
This a fact. A family member of mine was in an accident. Rear ended from a stop. The driver was going about 25mph and admitted he was texting. She felt fine not even whiplash. 6 months later couldn't stand without severe pain, needed back surgery for 2 discs from the accident. There was no way to prove it was from the teen that rear ended her. She has medical insurance but was still stuck with the deductible out of pocket. Very kind person and figured she was fine so no reason to get litigious on the kid. She still has problems with her back today and this was 15 years ago. She is still paying her deductible to this day for ongoing doctor visits.
 
WOW. These are just the biggest tanks on the road.

That's a full size, Ford 1500 Expedition totaled. If that LX weren't older, it wouldn't be.

To see another large truck crumble like that and not even break a window in an LX/LC, that's some s***.

Glad you're okay. Safety is also one of the reasons I bought mine. It weighs 6150 lbs. More than many other larger SUVs.
 
WOW. These are just the biggest tanks on the road.

That's a full size, Ford 1500 Expedition totaled. If that LX weren't older, it wouldn't be.

To see another large truck crumble like that and not even break a window in an LX/LC, that's some s***.

Glad you're okay. Safety is also one of the reasons I bought mine. It weighs 6150 lbs. More than many other larger SUVs.
To be fair, it doesn’t look like any windows broke on the Ford either :rofl:
 
Well im dealing with some s***ty insurance here, its called american access casualty company and it took me over 2 hours on hold before i got someone on phone and they are only mon-fri 8-5/ they gave me case number and adjuster number, when i called adjuster her work hours are mon-fri 8-4 which are office hours and i dnt have much spare time to call and chase. tried calling today 3 times and was going straight to voicemail, finally got hold of adjuster and she said we are waiting to get driver story before we can accept liability, well driver was DWI dnt know how long he will be in jail and they wouldnt be able to get his side of story. then i asked about rental since its daily commuter an d its been almost a week they said its on reimbursement basis and we allow $20.99/day WTF help me find rental at double this rate these days. I told them i have need of SUV so rental should be SUV then she said i have to check with my supervisor and then will call you back, she hasnt called me back yet and i dnt believe she will. Thinking about hiring attorney to dela with them instead since their reviews are all 1 star online and everyone has been getting run around from these guys.
 
Well im dealing with some s***ty insurance here, its called american access casualty company and it took me over 2 hours on hold before i got someone on phone and they are only mon-fri 8-5/ they gave me case number and adjuster number, when i called adjuster her work hours are mon-fri 8-4 which are office hours and i dnt have much spare time to call and chase. tried calling today 3 times and was going straight to voicemail, finally got hold of adjuster and she said we are waiting to get driver story before we can accept liability, well driver was DWI dnt know how long he will be in jail and they wouldnt be able to get his side of story. then i asked about rental since its daily commuter an d its been almost a week they said its on reimbursement basis and we allow $20.99/day WTF help me find rental at double this rate these days. I told them i have need of SUV so rental should be SUV then she said i have to check with my supervisor and then will call you back, she hasnt called me back yet and i dnt believe she will. Thinking about hiring attorney to dela with them instead since their reviews are all 1 star online and everyone has been getting run around from these guys.
Is this your insurance company or the other guy's? If it's yours - that sucks but keep on them. If it's the other guy's, do everything through your insurance, including having them send their attack dogs on the other guys insurance.

Good luck either way!
 
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Thinking about hiring attorney to dela with them instead since their reviews are all 1 star online and everyone has been getting run around from these guys.
Sounds like they are not going to have your best interest in mind. If they are that swamped, they are probably going to either (1) assign you 50% of the liability because it'll be less paperwork for them, and/or (b) force the case into mediation because it's less time and paperwork for them. If it goes to mediation, then:
  • There's a high chance the mediators will assign you 50% of the liability because you will not be given an opportunity to submit to them all the facts of the case.
  • The insurance from the at-fault driver (not you) is going to NOT submit all of their discovery evidence in order to be sure the mediators assign you 50% of the liability.
  • Most states, if not all, require accident cases to go to mediation, and there is ZERO appeal.
  • Again, insurance companies do not basis fault solely on police reports. Yes, they will do an "internal investigation." But what really matters is how it's reported to the national insurance database. If you get dinged for any % of the liability, it will follow you the rest of your life.
Wanna ask me how I know this? I'd say more but again, my lawyer has asked me to refrain for the time being.

I think it's wise to contact your doctor and see about your family being seen. If funds are tight and you don't want to use medical insurance, then you can probably find an MRI imaging service to do an MRI per person, including write-up by a real doctor/neurologist, for $400-800 cash pay. MRI's are useless unless a qualified expert does the write-up. If there are concerns shown by the MRI, it might be difficult to prove they stem from the accident. However, if you can prove the person(s) with the imaging issue was very active, productive, no pain/headaches, etc before the accident, then it'll be easier to tie to the at-fault driver. The best approach to do this is have your doctor quarterback your care.

But if you guys don't follow through with the medical then it's a moot point.

Attorneys are going to take 33-37% depending where you live. If it means you forego a few thousand in order to be assessed 0% liability and to be sure there are no medical issues, and that you're only "out of pocket" are attorney fees from a settlement, then I think it's worth it. If this case is worth $50k-$150k due to medical injuries, then you be all means YOU NEED AN ATTORNEY.

Not just any attorney, but one with a SOLID REPUTATION for NOT GIVING UP until you are fully compensated, even if this means going trial. Look for an attorney who LOVES going to trial for their clients.

After letting go one attorney in our accident, we decided to move on the settlement by ourselves. Here in CO, the process to submit an insurance demand letter while at the same maneuvering the case towards litigation is very precise, complex, and time consuming. Any misstep we might have made would have cost us in the settlement. I'd say more but it'll get confusing.

I'm so sorry for what you and your family have gone through, and are going through now. I know the struggle, I know the frustration, I know what it's like to have an idiot put the lives of you family in harm's way and feeling like you have no recourse.

I'm more than glad to talk by phone. I'm not an attorney nor do I work in the insurance field. But I know this stuff fairly well and know the pain of the financial strain, time suck, and wondering if your family has suffered any unforeseen major back/neck issues. Message me for my phone number.

(Next week I'll do a post on my dash cams and thoughts about insurance, accidents, etc. Members have been asking so I'll do it next week. Due to our accident, I now have dash cams on all 4 sides of both vehicles. Drivers that try to intimidate us now with aggressive behavior have zero clue they are videoed by one of the best dash cams on the market. So all I need to do is act innocent and smile.)
 
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Sounds like they are not going to have your best interest in mind. If they are that swamped, they are probably going to either (1) assign you 50% of the liability because it'll be less paperwork for them, and/or (b) force the case into mediation because it's less time and paperwork for them. If it goes to mediation, then:
  • There's a high chance the mediators will assign you 50% of the liability because you will not be given an opportunity to submit to them all the facts of the case.
  • The insurance from the at-fault driver (not you) is going to NOT submit all of their discovery evidence in order to be sure the mediators assign you 50% of the liability.
  • Most states, if not all, require accident cases to go to mediation, and there is ZERO appeal.
  • Again, insurance companies do not basis fault solely on police reports. Yes, they will do an "internal investigation." But what really matters is how it's reported to the national insurance database. If you get dinged for any % of the liability, it will follow you the rest of your life.
Wanna ask me how I know this? I'd say more but again, my lawyer has asked me to refrain for the time being.

I think it's wise to contact your doctor and see about your family being seen. If funds are tight and you don't want to use medical insurance, then you can probably find an MRI imaging service to do an MRI per person, including write-up by a real doctor/neurologist, for $400-800 cash pay. MRI's are useless unless a qualified expert does the write-up. If there are concerns shown by the MRI, it might be difficult to prove they stem from the accident. However, if you can prove the person(s) with the imaging issue was very active, productive, no pain/headaches, etc before the accident, then it'll be easier to tie to the at-fault driver. The best approach to do this is have your doctor quarterback your care.

But if you guys don't follow through with the medical then it's a moot point.

Attorneys are going to take 33-37% depending where you live. If it means you forego a few thousand in order to be assessed 0% liability and to be sure there are no medical issues, and that you're only "out of pocket" are attorney fees from a settlement, then I think it's worth it. If this case is worth $50k-$150k due to medical injuries, then you be all means YOU NEED AN ATTORNEY.

Not just any attorney, but one with a SOLID REPUTATION for NOT GIVING UP until you are fully compensated, even if this means going trial. Look for an attorney who LOVES going to trial for their clients.

After letting go one attorney in our accident, we decided to move on the settlement by ourselves. Here in CO, the process to submit an insurance demand letter while at the same maneuvering the case towards litigation is very precise, complex, and time consuming. Any misstep we might have made would have cost us in the settlement. I'd say more but it'll get confusing.

I'm so sorry for what you and your family have gone through, and are going through now. I know the struggle, I know the frustration, I know what it's like to have an idiot put the lives of you family in harm's way and feeling like you have no recourse.

I'm more than glad to talk by phone. I'm not an attorney nor do I work in the insurance field. But I know this stuff fairly well and know the pain of the financial strain, time suck, and wondering if your family has suffered any unforeseen major back/neck issues. Message me for my phone number.

(Next week I'll do a post on my dash cams and thoughts about insurance, accidents, etc. Members have been asking so I'll do it next week. Due to our accident, I now have dash cams on all 4 sides of both vehicles. Drivers that try to intimidate us now with aggressive behavior have zero clue they are videoed by one of the best dash cams on the market. So all I need to do is act innocent and smile.)
thank you very much for very detailed opinion, this gives me hope and yes i am decided to go with popular auto accident attorney. It was just my wife who was in the vehicle, no one else was in the vehicle. I do have HD dashcam in vehicle and the video saved form the accident showing where he came from and how he hit and whose fault was it so that part is covered. I did put dash cams in all vehicles for that only reason just in case and it did its job. couple of years ago i was side swiped by 17 year old no DL no insurance guy and i contacted attorney but they were only interested in going to doctor and filing medical claim, when i told them im not injured or no pain or anything they were not interested in picking up case just for auto damage claims.

Edit: do you have a thread for your accident and experience?>
 
Just don't rent from Hertz. I guess they are renting to people and then calling the rentals stolen.
 
thank you very much for very detailed opinion, this gives me hope and yes i am decided to go with popular auto accident attorney. It was just my wife who was in the vehicle, no one else was in the vehicle. I do have HD dashcam in vehicle and the video saved form the accident showing where he came from and how he hit and whose fault was it so that part is covered. I did put dash cams in all vehicles for that only reason just in case and it did its job. couple of years ago i was side swiped by 17 year old no DL no insurance guy and i contacted attorney but they were only interested in going to doctor and filing medical claim, when i told them im not injured or no pain or anything they were not interested in picking up case just for auto damage claims.

Edit: do you have a thread for your accident and experience?>

Not yet. Thread will come next week. I have not posted anything because I wanted enough time to go by so it limits the State of Colorado or any of the insurance companies involved to review it. Not that I would post anything harmful to my case, but it was just wise to be quiet for a while.

Here's more reading for you:
  • The other insurance company will call you for a recorded verbal account via the phone. Tell them you have an attorney and they should contact him/her going forward in all communications.
  • Your insurance company will want a recorded verbal account via the phone. See above.
  • They will try to call your wife as well, see above.
  • Remember, an accident by itself does not determine fault. Maintain your 0% liability with everyone.
  • Be sure you save a copy of the dash cam videos on two different platforms (such as a desktop and cloud backup).
  • The police report probably has errors. It's normal. When your attorney gets a copy of the report, have him/her send a copy to you so you can review it in detail. You know the accident better than anyone. There are several police errors on the police report in our accident and I caught them quickly.
  • Do everything your attorney says to do.
  • If your attorney gives you the ok to talk with either insurance company, always be nice, calm, never blame, never become angry, and stay with the facts and not ideas. Tell them you were always in control of your vehicle at all times, maintained a safe distance from the car in front of you, and after the accident it was more important that you made sure you and your wife were ok than anything else, that you never confronted the other driver (hopefully you didn't), etc.
  • If you go to a doctor, keep in mind that everything you put on the intake form and other documents will be reviewed by insurance companies and attorneys. If this has caused significant stress, sleepless nights, etc, then put it down. If you didn't eat for several days, had short-term memory loss due to the tension, then put it down. If your doctor thinks their could be significant injuries, then be sure he/she notes in the records. Don't write things like "I felt fine after the accident but my attorney thinks I should be seen by a doctor." Don't lie either but note even the smallest of things. Ask your attorney for guidance, but generally speaking it's ok to write things like "due to being impaired by not having my vehicle, the time and money stress caused by the accident, the emotional impact of knowing my wife was in the car, it really has impacted me to manage things personally and professionally."
  • Don't write things like "this accident has caused depression, anger issues, emotional instability" etc without first consulting your attorney. You do not want to open the door for either insurance company to find out you have/had emotional issues/trauma/counseling etc. When this stuff is breached in a claim, it's hard to prove and allows the opposing side free game to use it against you. For the record, I provide executive coaching and faith-based counseling. So in no way would I shame anyone who has been serious trauma and abuse, like me.
  • When the insurance comes to review your car to evaluate it's damage, you want to remove anything from that vehicle that you want to keep BEFORE they do it. Once they review it for a total payout, everything attached to it and within it is theirs. If you think the tool kit, jack, etc may have value, then keep it. If you keep things and the adjuster demotes the value because of it, then ask them what that value is and it will help you know if it's worth to keep.
  • Not sure about your state, but in CO the adjusters can NOT reduce the value of a totaled vehicle with hail damage if the review is done when the vehicle is in the rain. One of the blessings we got out of our totaled car was the adjuster did not ding (pun on words) our payout due to the hail damage. Fortunately it was lightly raining that day and the I left the car out of the garage.
  • Down the road, not now, consider going with a top-name insurance company like Travelers. Don't do the ones you hear about on the tv, radio, billboards. If you have the funds, consider getting a $500k-$1M umbrella coverage. Why? Because if you are in another accident and another driver causes serious harm to you anyone in the car, and the other driver has no insurance or minimal, then you have the umbrella policy to pursue for compensation. Our financial and medical losses are six figures. I wish we had a $1M umbrella coverage at the time.
  • If there are medical bills and you submit a claim to your medical insurance provider, it's highly likely that provider will want to put a lien on your lawsuit in order to be repaid. This is normal. After the settlement, your attorney can always ask the provider to reduce their claim on your settlement, such as to be 60% instead of 100%.
Here's a tip for everyone going forward. If you call 911 after an accident that you are involved in, stick to the facts as clearly as possible. NEVER shout or yell to the other driver, don't say you're not hurt, don't say you did anything wrong (even if you did), don't cuss, etc. If it's more than a fender bender ask for medical even if you think no one is hurt. Whatever you say to a 911 dispatcher is recorded and can be used against you by the opposing side. If somehow there might be a possibility you contributed to an accident, don't say it to 911 or to the police. Just give place, descriptions of people and vehicles, ask for medical, cars are immovable, etc. Then hang up. The only time you say on the line with 911 is if the other occupants are trying to flee the scene, are yelling at you, are making threatening moves/words to you, showing a weapon, etc. If they do then speak clearly to 911 what is going and tell the other people to stay away from you. In fact, tell them several times so it's sure to be heard on the 911 recording. Stay on the line until you think it's safe or until the police show up. NEVER talk to anyone involved while you are with 911 unless it's a serious matter.

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one caveat - generally an umbrella itself pays OTHERS. A UM (uninsured/underinsured motorist) umbrella pays you. Be careful when purchasing.
 
The appraiser came back and totalled vehicle.
They are offering me $19k. I had 234k pampered miles on it and always took care of all maintenance myself with no issues at all. Do you guys think it is fair offer considering how the market is right now? or should i ask them to adjust and how much? any input will be appreciated.
 

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