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Breaking Down the AW450 (Part 11)

Using your IED, remove the OD case (Photo 1). Note the three seals (Photo 2). These seal the oil passages that provide oil pressure to activate the clutches. You will need to replace these during reassembly.

With the OD case out, reinstall ring gear and clutch plates that you removed in Part 10 back into the OD case (Photo 3) and add the assembly to your stack (Inset)
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Breaking Down the AW450 (Part 12)

Next comes the front clutch assembly. Prior to removing it, make another reference depth measurement that you will use during reassembly (Photo 1). Pull the front clutch assembly and add it to the stack (Inset).

Next, you will need to bend some stiff wire to make hooks (Photo 2) to pull the rear clutch assembly out of the case (Photo 3) and add it to the stack (Inset).
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Breaking Down the AW450 (Part 13)

Getting close to the end. Next, remove the three bolts spaced 120* apart on the outside of the case (Photo 1). Using your IED, pull the center support (Photo 2). Note three O-rings that seal the oil passages that activate the clutches (Photo 3). You should replace theses when reassembling. Add the assembly to the stack.
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Breaking Down the AW450 (Part 14)

THE END IS NEAR! (At least of the disassembly process). Remove the snap ring that retains the output assembly (Photo 1). Pull the whole assembly out of the case (Photo 2). You can now switch the output shaft to the one compatible with the T-case. Add the output assembly to your stack (Photo 3). If you are overhauling the transmission and/or wish to clean the case thoroughly, you will need to remove the 1st/reverse brake and output shaft bearing that still remain in the case. See Part 15. Otherwise, its time for :beer::beer::beer:
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Breaking Down the AW450 (Part 15)

To remove the 1st/reverse brake assembly you will need SST J-44162, No. 1 Piston Spring Compressor or something equivalent (see Post #308).

Begin by removing the snap ring that retains the 1st/reverse brake friction disks and plates (No photo but it should be obvious). Remove the disks and plates and add them to your stack. Next, using your piston compressor, compress the retainer just enough to allow you to remove the snap ring that retains the retainer (Photo 1). Remove the piston compressor and the retainer (Photo 2). Using air pressure, blow the piston out of the case (Photo 3). Add the retainer and piston to your stack (Inset).

Press or drive out the output shaft bearing from the case. Your case is now empty, ready for a good cleaning and inspection.
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I'm going to take a break now to clean up my case and go through each sub assembly. I'll resume posting when I get to putting it all back together.

Meanwhile, I'd be interested in any comments/question that anyone has, especially about the level of detail taht I've included. Is it too much?
 
You are doing an incredible job. Anyone that attempts this in the future should have more than enough info to tackle the project and thanks again for taking the time to be so thorough.

Tripper
 
One of the best technical writeups I have seen, very very good. Thanks for taking the time to do this, it will be invaluable in a month when I'm knee deep in an A442F/450-43LE.

Cheers
 
Reassembling the AW450 (Part 1)

Before doing a thorough cleaning, I went over the interior of the case to clean up any burrs that might damage a seal during reassembly. One of the things that I noticed while disassembling the three transmissions (two AW450,s and a A440F) was that the seals between components that slide together were often mangled, like those between the Center support and the main case (Photo 3 of Post # 323) or those between the OD case and the main case (Photo 2 of Post # 321 ). These seals are compressed first then slid over the mating holes as the two assemblies are mated. Photo 1 is a closeup of a mangled seal. Do you think this O-ring might leak? This would lead me to believe that it would be a good idea to slightly chamfer the edges of the holes so that the seal is not cut as it slides over the hole. I’m going to try one additional technique to hopefully prevent seal damage. The FSM says to lubricate the seals with ATF (Dextron III) during assembly. I’m going to go one step further and use Parker O-Ring Lube (Photo 2). This stuff is slicker than snot and I’ve had very good luck with this stuff reassembling aircraft engines. Hopefully, I’ll not regret this decision!

Some general precautions per the FSM – don’t use rags or paper towels during reassembly as the lint from these may cause problems. Presoak the clutch/brake friction disks in Dextron III for 15 minutes or more prior to installing them. Don’t expose any of the o-rings, seals, and friction components to solvents such as gasoline, naptha, MEK, etc. Dextron III and kerosene are OK.

Some precautions that I learned the hard way: Have the FSM on hand and follow it! Read over the complete task that you going to perform before starting it. Make a photo copy of the FSM and check off the tasks as you complete them. Test your work before moving on to the next step. Using an air nozzle with a rubber tip will enable you to test a clutch or brake for proper operation and for leakage. Drain your air compressor of any water accumulation. You don’t want to be blowing this crud into your transmission. As you manhandle the various components, make sure you don’t damage the soft aluminum mating surfaces. I always use a working surface covered with CLEAN wood.

After removing any nicks and burrs in the case, slightly chamfering the edges of the above-mentioned holes, and removing all traces of old gaskets, I thoroughly washed the whole case in clean kerosene, making sure that all the passages were flushed followed by a good blow from the air hose. I next placed the empty case top side up on a piece of 2 x 10 and thoroughly washed down the outside with brake cleaner to remove any traces of grease and oil. Once dry, I plugged or masked all of the openings followed by several coats of clear paint. I like the looks of clean uncorroded aluminum so hopefully this treatment will help preserve that look. Photo 3 is the case ready for assembly.

It may never work again but it sure is purdy!
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bumpity bump, bump, for an update?
 
Sorry for no update but I haven't had any time to make any progress. A contractor was supposed to replace all the windows in our house. I bought the windows, the contractor bailed, and now I'm doing the install :mad::mad::mad:
 
Good to hear you are sticking with it! Great thread... A real game changer for the FZJ80 crowd...

JL
 
Good to hear you are sticking with it! Great thread... A real game changer for the FZJ80 crowd...

JL

I will get it done - hopefully while I'm still capable of still driving ;)

Even though my objective is to stick the engine in an FJ62, based on my brief look at the A442F, I would agree with you that this swap would probably be a bit easier into a FJZ80. Once I get the FJ62 finished, I may try to build a AW450/A442F hybrid. I have all the pieces, I just need the time.
 
Do you have any recommendations for a particular brand of seal kit for the transmission? Rockauto.com has something listed for 89 bucks. I would like to buy it online to avoid the deer in the headlights look from the local parts places.

Also, other than cleaning and inspection, is it absolutely necessary to remove the valve body and associated stuff under the pan in order to swap out the output shaft? Can everything be pulled out the front without removing the pan? I am rereading the write up so far and fail to see what would prevent one from doing a less invasive change-out by leaving the entire pan and valve body attached. I am worried that a bolt that holds the valve body on also interlocks into some of the gearsets.

EDIT - It is now obvious that you need to do this in order to swap out the shift shaft. I will probably be able to retain the factory shift shaft from the 450-43LE.

JL
 
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Do you have any recommendations for a particular brand of seal kit for the transmission? Rockauto.com has something listed for 89 bucks. I would like to buy it online to avoid the deer in the headlights look from the local parts places.
I got mine from Transmission Parts - Transtar Industries Inc. but have no particular opinion regarding them as a supplier. IIRC, I paid around $100 for it. I received what looked like a generic kit. So far it seems complete but I'm just starting to use parts out of the kit.

Also, other than cleaning and inspection, is it absolutely necessary to remove the valve body and associated stuff under the pan in order to swap out the output shaft?

JL

If you are replacing an A442F with the AW450, you may not need to pull the pan or valve body. IIRC, the shift lever on the A442F is on the same side as on the AW450. If so, you can probably just swap shift levers. You might even be able to use the stock AW450 shift lever.

You may still want to use the A442F pan as it has some additional protection and the dip stick tube location may be more appropriate to the FJZ80.

Post up what you decide to do.

EDIT: I took a quick look and the AW450 and A442F shift levers are different but look like they can be interchanged. The shift shaft on the AW450 sticks out about 1.5" more than does the A442F shift shaft. This will move the shift lever outward from the transmission about 1.5". If this causes a problem in the FJZ80, then you'll have to swap the A442F shift shaft into the AW450.
 
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Great info as always, thank you.

I bought a seal kit form Rock Auto for 90 bucks. I figure they are all generic rebuild parts, if it turns out to be crap I will report back.

No to hijack, but I am considering my options and thinking about simply swapping out the torque converter and the bellhousing on the transmission. Based on the documents I have seen there are some minor differences in the gearsets and clutches from the 450 to the A442F but the internals appear to function in the same manner. I can see no additional circuitry or controls that would necessitate the replacement of the transmission case or the valvebody. The only downside is that the 450 has a higher ratio 4th and lower 1st but I am not sure that the 4D34 will "push" that much gear in 4th and I don't see the need for a lower 1st. It also appears that some internals are heavier duty, but I question what I would gain,especially swapping into a vehicle which has half the GVWR.

I am almost tempted to start with the lower gear setup and eventually change over if I feel that it is worthwhile.

Obviously, being able to swap the bellhousing and torque converter without performing any invasive work to the trans has a huge appeal. I will have to closely compare the wiring diagrams but I have a feeling some major similarities will be found, nothing different that cannot be solved with a soldering iron.

I wanted your thoughts on this. I will start my own thread once I have the truck ready to disassemble.
 
Great info as always, thank you.

I bought a seal kit form Rock Auto for 90 bucks. I figure they are all generic rebuild parts, if it turns out to be crap I will report back.

No to hijack, but I am considering my options and thinking about simply swapping out the torque converter and the bellhousing on the transmission. Based on the documents I have seen there are some minor differences in the gearsets and clutches from the 450 to the A442F but the internals appear to function in the same manner. I can see no additional circuitry or controls that would necessitate the replacement of the transmission case or the valvebody. The only downside is that the 450 has a higher ratio 4th and lower 1st but I am not sure that the 4D34 will "push" that much gear in 4th and I don't see the need for a lower 1st. It also appears that some internals are heavier duty, but I question what I would gain,especially swapping into a vehicle which has half the GVWR.

I am almost tempted to start with the lower gear setup and eventually change over if I feel that it is worthwhile.

Obviously, being able to swap the bellhousing and torque converter without performing any invasive work to the trans has a huge appeal. I will have to closely compare the wiring diagrams but I have a feeling some major similarities will be found, nothing different that cannot be solved with a soldering iron.

I wanted your thoughts on this. I will start my own thread once I have the truck ready to disassemble.

Based on some stuff I read somewhere (how's that for a concrete reference!), the newer A442F may well be comprable to the AW450 with regards to "Heavy Duty". If I were in your position, I'd just swap the torque converter and bell housing from the AW450 onto your A442F and give it a try. You will still be faced with the bigger challenge of dealing with the starter interference.
 
You will still be faced with the bigger challenge of dealing with the starter interference.

Which is why we are all subscribed and watching closely. As soon as someone comes up with a solution, the market for totaled NPRs will skyrocket! :popcorn:
 
Which is why we are all subscribed and watching closely. As soon as someone comes up with a solution, the market for totaled NPRs will skyrocket! :popcorn:
Actually, I have a solution for the starter problem but I'm buying up all the NPR's before I spill the beans so I can finance my retirement :grinpimp::grinpimp::grinpimp:
 
Based on some stuff I read somewhere (how's that for a concrete reference!), the newer A442F may well be comprable to the AW450 with regards to "Heavy Duty". If I were in your position, I'd just swap the torque converter and bell housing from the AW450 onto your A442F and give it a try. You will still be faced with the bigger challenge of dealing with the starter interference.

I'm using a Mitsubishi engine which has a conventional starter location (forward facing, driver's side, same as stock). It's from a Fuso FE-SP and is similar to the 4HE1 except that it's a little weaker and has a fully electronic pump.

The big challenge I am fighting is that I want to keep the trans location as per stock, and that puts the exhaust manifold awful close to the firewall.

I think I'll start a full thread of my own this eve, to try and keep the tech separated between both engines.
 

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