Isn't a 100 LC just a bigger and heavier 4Runner?

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The 100 is 800 lbs heavier. The 100 is overbuilt in most everyway. The runner is medium duty and the 100 is the heavy duty offering. The UN and military choose the land cruiser. Also, the cruiser is chosen for armored applications.
 
04UZJ100 said:
LCA Advocate you're wrong on two points.

The 4th gen is made 100% in Japan at the Tahara plant with nearly 100% sourced Japanese components. The rugs and trim, like you said, are USA based.

Additionally, the V8 and transmission is IDENTICAL to that of the 100 series and their fluid capacities are equal as well.

Now, I'll give the durability/strength nod to the Land Crusier (one look underneath is all you need); however, interior fit and finish, overall quality, and craftsmanship are nearly identical.

I've owned both since new.
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Of course it is 100% made in Japan, JT VIN tells you that, but does that mean with 100% Japanese parts. Is there any way the carpet, trim, boards, etc, make up 20% of the parts? Doesn't make sense.
 
LCAdvocate said:
Of course it is 100% made in Japan, JT VIN tells you that, but does that mean with 100% Japanese parts. Is there any way the carpet, trim, boards, etc, make up 20% of the parts? Doesn't make sense.
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What are you talking about? The window sticker said 95% Japanese components with the parts for the transmission and engine being Japanese sourced - on the 100 and 4R.

That is DIFFERENT than the new 200 with American sourced transmission components - just look at that smaller sticker next to the window sticker.
 
Yeah... Who's that "Beno" clown? What does he know......



BTW Onur, when I get a job I will be calling for some more parts... And thanks for pointing me to Dan for the celica parts!
 
Lets not make the LC/LX 470 out to be an icon of build quality because its not. And if a 4runnner is of lower build quality I wont ever buy one.

Here is a list of stuff wrong with my 2004 lx470 that has 107,000kms on it:
-almost all my chrome trim is delaminating
-my steering wheel is delaminating
-I have a vicious f'ing cold start knock that makes the truck sound like a diesel for about 7 minutes at -20C*.
-I have a driveshaft knock that I have fixed so many times I gave up.
-the navigation does not work if its colder than -15C*
-the rear upper gate rattles all the time no matter how much I adjust it.
-the trailer light adapter s*** the bed and I had to rewire it myself using an aftermarket adapter b/c there are no new relays on NA
-the active traction control castrates fun whenever it can
-and the biggest f'ing thing I hate is the fact the number of steps it takes to turn up the heat to max and the fact that you have to press so many damn buttons to adjust the climate in the truck.
-the ahc is crap and makes the truck ride like crap

This truck is my ninth cruiser. My 80 was of much higher build quality than my 100. My 70, though much more crude, was higher quality. My bj42s and my 40s? well now were not on the same planet.

And you know what? I have a 2009 BMW 335i; allegedly one of the neediest cars out there. The only problem I have had with it is the battery needed to be replaced.

Why not sell it? Strangely I cant get the cruiser bug out of my system. If that's why we own them then fine thats why. But lets not make them out to be something they are not.
 
knorrena said:
Lets not make the LC/LX 470 out to be an icon of build quality because its not. And if a 4runnner is of lower build quality I wont ever buy one.

Here is a list of stuff wrong with my 2004 lx470 that has 107,000kms on it:
-almost all my chrome trim is delaminating
-my steering wheel is delaminating
-I have a vicious f'ing cold start knock that makes the truck sound like a diesel for about 7 minutes at -20C*.
-I have a driveshaft knock that I have fixed so many times I gave up.
-the navigation does not work if its colder than -15C*
-the rear upper gate rattles all the time no matter how much I adjust it.
-the trailer light adapter s*** the bed and I had to rewire it myself using an aftermarket adapter b/c there are no new relays on NA
-the active traction control castrates fun whenever it can
-and the biggest f'ing thing I hate is the fact the number of steps it takes to turn up the heat to max and the fact that you have to press so many damn buttons to adjust the climate in the truck.
-the ahc is crap and makes the truck ride like crap

This truck is my ninth cruiser. My 80 was of much higher build quality than my 100. My 70, though much more crude, was higher quality. My bj42s and my 40s? well now were not on the same planet.

And you know what? I have a 2009 BMW 335i; allegedly one of the neediest cars out there. The only problem I have had with it is the battery needed to be replaced.

Why not sell it? Strangely I cant get the cruiser bug out of my system. If that's why we own them then fine thats why. But lets not make them out to be something they are not.
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I think I figured out your problem "Calgary". MOVE!!!
 
LCAdvocate said:
I will start with a few things, but you can really go on for days about this, especially taking into account the great history of the Land Cruiser that laid the foundation for the Toyota Motor Company that we know today. If you haven't, definitely check out the history link.

Here are the some points from the net, my opinion and some links:

http://www.toyota.com.kw/english/toyota_models___/landcruiser/history/html/home.html

- Go to your dealership and look at the parts/composition stickers. The 4R's are down to around 80-85% Japanese, which means there are some American, Canadian, Mexican and other parts manufactured elsewhere in there. The Cruiser is still around 95% and the 5% represents the running boards, roof racks, interior trim packages (the faux wood, etc), minor stuff, that are made in Canada, so the Cruiser is more Japanese, which means Aisin, Koyo, Matsuba, Denso, ...... much better parts. No Dana driveshafts - the ones that were failing in the Taco's

- Cruiser has better approach, break-over, departure angles.

- Cruiser has more ground clearance.

- Cruiser's underbody is very clean and everything is tucked away and protected. The fuel tank concealed well and up high.

- Cruiser frame is said to be the strongest SUV frame and probably much stronger than the Taco/4R frame due to the size of the vehicle.

- Cruiser has larger and heavier duty components. The suspension system is superior in off-roading, has a lot more travel than 4runner/GX. Up to today, TLC still holds the record for the highest RTI of any vehicle with independent suspension. It even beat out Jeep Grand Cherokee, who has solid axles in front and rear. It loses only to Land Rover Discovery.

(RTI: ramp travel index. You run a car up a certain degree ramp, usually 20 degree. You measure how much a vehicle can go up until the one of the rear wheel loses contact with the ground.)

- Cruiser's rack-and-pinion steering is specially designed to fit high up into the body...to avoid damage in off-roading. This has been somewhat of a problem with 4runners (and GX) in off-roading. The steering mechanism in the 4runner hangs low...most SUVs with rack & pinion steering hangs low due to design constraints. I believe that the Range Rover's system is also up high into the body (like TLC). That is why hard-core off-roaders still prefer recirculating-ball steering because it can be mounted high.

- Cruiser can climb 45 degree hill and cross a side slope of 45 degree. That is 100% grade and 100% side slope capability!! Only a handful of SUVs on the planet can do this. The new 4runner/GX can do about 42 and 41 degrees. This capability requires good vehicle design (wheelbase, length, track, etc.). In addition, the oil pan and engine must be able to work at those extreme degrees.

- Cruiser is designed for 25 years of severe duty. The engine holds nearly 2 gallons of oil, the transmission around 3 gallons, the transfer and diffs hold substantial fluid, the cooling system holds like 4 gallons, there are coolers, and the 80's have oil squirters to cool the pistons, not sure about the 100's

- Cruiser has offset differential(s)

- And don't forget that real Toyota's have VIN's that start with JT


I'm sure there are some mistakes here, but that is a start. Somebody take it over.
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A couple of important items you forgot:
- LC's have a V8!!!!
- I know this is minor to most but as you get older you start to really like the heated seats, thermostat control and other creature comforts. ;)
 
Move from Calgary! Are you suggesting that I move to the USA and get paid in dollarettes? Never.
 
knorrena said:
Lets not make the LC/LX 470 out to be an icon of build quality because its not. And if a 4runnner is of lower build quality I wont ever buy one.

Here is a list of stuff wrong with my 2004 lx470 that has 107,000kms on it:
-almost all my chrome trim is delaminating
-my steering wheel is delaminating
-I have a vicious f'ing cold start knock that makes the truck sound like a diesel for about 7 minutes at -20C*.
-I have a driveshaft knock that I have fixed so many times I gave up.
-the navigation does not work if its colder than -15C*
-the rear upper gate rattles all the time no matter how much I adjust it.
-the trailer light adapter **** the bed and I had to rewire it myself using an aftermarket adapter b/c there are no new relays on NA
-the active traction control castrates fun whenever it can
-and the biggest f'ing thing I hate is the fact the number of steps it takes to turn up the heat to max and the fact that you have to press so many **** buttons to adjust the climate in the truck.
-the ahc is **** and makes the truck ride like ****

This truck is my ninth cruiser. My 80 was of much higher build quality than my 100. My 70, though much more crude, was higher quality. My bj42s and my 40s? well now were not on the same planet.

And you know what? I have a 2009 BMW 335i; allegedly one of the neediest cars out there. The only problem I have had with it is the battery needed to be replaced.

Why not sell it? Strangely I cant get the cruiser bug out of my system. If that's why we own them then fine thats why. But lets not make them out to be something they are not.
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+1 on moving from Calgary! a also, I thought this article would interest you.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081123101231AAbVwRo
 
r2m said:
A couple of important items you forgot:
- LC's have a V8!!!!
- I know this is minor to most but as you get older you start to really like the heated seats, thermostat control and other creature comforts. ;)
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V8 was option on 4th Runner as was third row seats. Depending on the year, the 4 runner even had more advanced options than the Land Cruiser. I have a 2000 lc and a 2003 4Runner. I like the room, interior, and layout of the Cruiser, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't biased...
 
Ok so I know nothing about either platform.


First off the 4Runner is the Toyota Surf everywhere else in the world except for the US market. Cool. Fact of the matter is that no one else in the modern world equates either platform with each other.

The Toyota 4Runner is manufactured at the Tahara Plant and always has been for the US market.

The 100 series as well as the 105 series for its short run was manufactured at the ARACO/Toyota Auto Body Yoshiwara Plant. This plant is/has been known as the Land Cruiser plant. For Land Cruiser assholes like myself, it is the most important building structure in the world.

While I think the 4Runner/Surf platform is quite adequate for the North American market, there is no way either platform are equal or close to each other. They perform different tasks and are relegated to different Toyota marketing world views.

Sure, they might share the same engine (2UZ-FE and the 1GR-FE-- yes there were GRJ100 rigs in certain markets in early iterations of the 4.0L), the platforms, the part numbers, the entire engineering group internally are completely different.

So, to be honest, I saw both vehicles manufactured when I visited the plants in Japan... And I was at both the Yoshiwara Plant as well as the Tahara Plant... (one, at the time outsourced, one a 1979 plant build)... And to be honest, there is a difference.

... Anyway, I don't really know what I am talking about so, fawk it.
 
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