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From my experience, I would not own anything with BMW components beyond manufactures warranty.
 
Well, it depends. I am also not saying you should buy a BMW. I get the average person is not willing to put the effort in or take the risk or like you may have had a bad experience already.

I do happen to own a German (Dingolfing) build 2014 535d Msport and it has been without issue, except me deciding to delete the DPF when it plugged up early in its career. These diesel emission system are a cancer, not just a BMW problem. In fact they had it working, VW and Mercedes never did. It drives great (way better than any Lexus or Cadillac) and for example the seats (BMW comfort) and the engine/gearbox management are way better than any Toyota product I have driven to date. I also do not mind doing my own maintenance and have ISTA+ to be able to do any work on it. Been handy to replace the fuel filter (bleed function), the brake fluid (ABS pump actuation) and transmission fluid (refill procedure).

The 535d is truly a driving machine. It gets 42 mpg at 75 mph and you can effortless drive it for long 12 hour+ days. Done it a couple of times Houston to Florida and back. I get why folk stay away from it. I would say you are missing out. At the same time i recognize it is an enthusiast vehicle past the initial 4 years. High risk/high reward. So cannot recommend you buy one unless you understand the game. Am very happy I bought one. Like our 2021 LC200 I enjoy every time I drive it, as if it is a new vehicle driven off the dealer lot. Gives me a big smile when I accelerate from 60 to 80 mph. The deleted engine gets around 520 ft lbs from factory 413 ft lbs. That is a lot for a 3950lbs vehicle. It flies :cool:
 
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Interesting. My BMW 535d diesel inline 6 coupled with the ZF 8 speed is motor/transmission management wise the very best of any vehicle I have owned. I would expect the Grenadier to be excellent in that space. Toyota could learn from that IMO.
Anything with a ZF8 seems to be this way. the multiple Ram 1500 rentals I have had, IMHO, are amazing. The ZF8 always had the Hemi right where it needed to be with no lag or drama
 
Just came by this. Nice demo of the Grenadier's offroad capabilities. Apologize if this is a repost.



I saw this a while ago. The reviewer is kinda goofy but the testing he does is informative. I don't think he really showed how much of a side hill they can be driven over. Isn't it ±40º?

I thought the dirtbox overland videos were pretty good.

 
nothing is made to last 20 years anymore....how would the stock price go up?!

Which I find heartbreaking, after 10 years of 80-series DD ownership (94-04), and ~20 years of DD 100-series ownership (06-current), not to mention long term Mercedes W123 & (early) Lexus LS ownership.

Is there any currently in production vehicle, that is worth owning, past its warranty period, or have we completely moved to the “disposable electronics” model?
 
Planned obsolescence is the way. The "range rover effect" has invaded all manufacturer's mindset because it makes money.

This guy being interviewed is a transmission guy (NextGen) but tells it like it is.



 
Which I find heartbreaking, after 10 years of 80-series DD ownership (94-04), and ~20 years of DD 100-series ownership (06-current), not to mention long term Mercedes W123 & (early) Lexus LS ownership.

Is there any currently in production vehicle, that is worth owning, past its warranty period, or have we completely moved to the “disposable electronics” model?

2025 Lexus ES 350
 
2025 Lexus ES 350
How is this “Luxury Camry” built differently from the (formerly “development cost is no object”, and “as reliable as an anvil”) equivalent LS or LX?
 
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How is this “Luxury Camry” built differently from the (formerly “development cost is no object”, and “as reliable as an anvil”) equivalent LS or LX?

There's no mystical reliability advantage to an LS or an LX compared to many other Toyota models like a Corolla or a Camry. In fact they are probably less reliable due to being equipped with more bells and whistles and complexity... simply more things to go wrong.

Anyways, the current in production Camry is hybrid only - and it's a pretty damn nice vehicle too. Around 50 MPG, 700 miles of range. I've seen reports of 800+ miles on a tank if you hyper-mile it (if your into that sort of thing). And you can be OTD for $29k in LE trim. Probably the best new bang for your buck buy in 2025. Long term reliability is TBD.

The current in production ES 350 still has Toyota's (now ancient) bread and butter 2GR V6 with an 8 speed auto. No hybrid, no turbocharger. It's going to be fine past the warranty period.

Point being is there are still good options out there even in 2025.
 
There's no mystical reliability advantage to an LS or an LX compared to many other Toyota models like a Corolla or a Camry. In fact they are probably less reliable due to being equipped with more bells and whistles and complexity... simply more things to go wrong.

Anyways, the current in production Camry is hybrid only - and it's a pretty damn nice vehicle too. Around 50 MPG, 700 miles of range. I've seen reports of 800+ miles on a tank if you hyper-mile it (if your into that sort of thing). And you can be OTD for $29k in LE trim. Probably the best new bang for your buck buy in 2025. Long term reliability is TBD.

The current in production ES 350 still has Toyota's (now ancient) bread and butter 2GR V6 with an 8 speed auto. No hybrid, no turbocharger. It's going to be fine past the warranty period.

Point being is there are still good options out there even in 2025.
Having purchased both an original LS400, and a second gen LX470, new, and having driven them for decades, along with multiple interim “bean counter” Toyota/Lexus vehicles, please excuse my skepticism, for a generic Toyota/Lexus vehicle.
 
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Recently a new Grenadier FS has made it all the way here, to Juneau, Alaska. The price tag is 90 grand. 😲
 

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