If you had the choice Gas or Desiel?

[lt1fire]

If I had a choice between diesel and gas it would be diesel. Unless I was talking about a muscle or sports car. I've been to Europe a lot and driven the diesel models of the gas cars we have over here. The diesels are hands down better. I just got back and had a diesel peugot 307 station wagon. It was quiet smooth and got about 45 mpg.

 

[Beowulf]

Fuel prices, the picture will tell the tale where I am and consequently the resale value of gas powered

I said for use in the US. Do you live in the US or in some foreign country?

-B-

 

[LandyLover]

There is upfront savings for Diesel because it costs less at the pump. At least for now. Since gasoline has been $1.15 plus a liter, Diesel has maintained a buck per... often less. However, diesel was also $1 a liter when gas was 89 cents. Bottom line, you'd need to keep your diesel a lot longer to pay for the high inititial cost of the truck. Is it worth it? Only each person can decide that on their own.

Any competent diesel shop will be able to work on a diesel... marine, light truck, commercial... A diesel is a diesel. Many diesel shops in southern BC are able to source common parts for your diesel, however, it can still be a hassle if you need an OEM part from Toyota.

I dont like RHD vehicles because they are dangerous when everyone else drives LHD. Why can't people start to import diesel cruisers from LHD countries like Venezuala. I would definately buy one then. I used to have a non-turboed diesel cruiser and it was slow. Believe it or not, my wife still really misses it.

Cheers.

 

[jasonmt]

I said for use in the US. Do you live in the US or in some foreign country?

-B-

I actually live in some foreign country AND have first hand experince with the particular diesel in question, thus the scoffing at your "noisy and smelly" comment.

 

[cruiserdan]

The most pressing issue with a non-import diesel is the FACT that replacement parts sourcing as well as competent technical support will be virtually non-existant. Obtaining OEM parts is very challenging and will often take several weeks.
The aftermarket will have absolutely NOTHING available because the application does not exist.

I would not own a non-import diesel Criuser as a primary mode of transportation in the US. If you do, you will end up walking whilst you wait for the simplest of items. On the other hand, I would love to have one as a toy.


D-

 

[jc3835]

what is the typical diesel engine premium cost over gas in countries where you have a choice of new trucks? is it like $5K or more like $10K US?

Currently, on the new '07-'08 big three (Ford, GM, Dodge), the premium for a diesel is approx $5K - $8K, Dodge being the least and GM being the most usually because it's an automatic (pun) upgrade to an Allison transmission ($1K) with the Duramax.

When buying the fullsize trucks, if you're towing, it's really a no-brainer for durability, longevity, efficiency and resale to go diesel.

They are no longer smelly and noisy, haven't been for a few years now. That's one of the biggest problems in getting them here though -- perception us Americans have about diesel.

Fortunately, just about all manufacturers are starting to put out oil-burners in the next 1-3 years.

I'm a big diesel nerd of late... sorry for the rambling.

 

[Beowulf]

They are no longer smelly and noisy, haven't been for a few years now.

Well, I guess I've been unlucky then because every time I am in the drive-thru with a diseasel in front or behind me, the nice lady in the box cannot hear a word I say and I cannot hear a word she says unless the guy in the truck shuts off his engine... which is what he has to do to place his order when it is his turn to talk to the nice lady in the box.

There is a video somewhere here on 'Mud where a guy was all giddy about his new-to-him 4BT conversion and he was saying how you could carry on a normal conversation with the hood up. Then he takes this video to "prove" how quiet the damn thing was. I watched the video and you couldn't hear thunder while that thing was klanking and banging and clattering. If that is quiet then someone needs to have their ears checked. I'll find the video for you if you don't believe me.

And they smell to high heaven.... all of them. phew.

-B-

 

[KSV]

Well, I guess I've been unlucky then because every time I am in the drive-thru with a diseasel in front or behind me, the nice lady in the box cannot hear a word I say and I cannot hear a word she says unless the guy in the truck shuts off his engine... which is what he has to do to place his order when it is his turn to talk to the nice lady in the box.

There is a video somewhere here on 'Mud where a guy was all giddy about his new-to-him 4BT conversion and he was saying how you could carry on a normal conversation with the hood up. Then he takes this video to "prove" how quiet the damn thing was. I watched the video and you couldn't hear thunder while that thing was klanking and banging and clattering. If that is quiet then someone needs to have their ears checked. I'll find the video for you if you don't believe me.

And they smell to high heaven.... all of them. phew.

-B-

You ARE biased But who says I am not? ;p
New generation common rail diesels VERY civilized indeed. Have not tried BMW X5 in diesel form? Or some European passenger car like Pegeouts? You DEFINATELLY change your mind.
As for 4WD manual diesel has each and every advantage over petrol. More robust and reliable – people known doing nothing to theirs diesel engines for 500K and even more – no one petrol driven car even dream about this. Much more torque – and we actually need more torque then HP when climbing uphill or towing. Actually diesel has more HP at the same RPM then petrol. Enormous breaking power is definite plus. Fuel consumption 2/3 from petrol and in hard condition like sand driving even better another undoubtful positive for someone who trying to cross a desert. Negatives obvious – diesels not accelerate as quick as petrol driven, but 80-s never been drag-machines anyway and for fast take off I have petrol-driven sedan. And yes fuel itself smells like sh1t, but hey, I do not drink it . Service and parts for diesels usually also more pricey then petrol variants. As for noise and exhaust smell you would only right when talking about really older stuff, like my old 60. Even my 1HZ + aftermarket turbo not much louder then any truck and new direct injected common rail diesels yet far better.
Thus as for me positives overweight negatives far and beyond. Although I would be reluctant to get any grey imported car as main one regardless it is diesel or petrol.

 

[83white]

I am so sick of people bitching about loud diesels....how many models are out there. I have a vw golf, diesel and the engine is not loud. A 4bt will have sound yes, but things can be done. It's not this 18wheeler you make it out to be and yes I am in the USA. Yes, it's a good option. Why not be proactive and run biodiesel to get off oil? Smelly......the emmisions are not even the same on bio so that goes right out the window.....as does sound since bio does soften the engine sound. And I do not make my bio, I buy it at the pump. Yes, not ever place will have it, but it's growing and more common then you think. The problem I see here in the US is that everyone has this mind set of old diesels and just like other topics are to studdorn to sit down and reasearch and look at the facts..........as for the drive through....man up and go inside....its faster half the time anyway!

 

[Beowulf]

to [sic] studdorn [sic] to sit down and reasearch [sic] and look at the facts..........as for the drive through....man up and go inside....its faster half the time anyway!

Let me get this straight.

To be a real man....
I have to give up drive-thrus because my diseasel is too loud for the nice lady in the box to hear me.... and ....
I have to live with less horsepower than my 212HP 1FZ-FE ... and ....
I have to pay more here in the USA for each gallon of fuel .... and ....
I have to source my engine parts from Bumfukistan .... and ...
I have to drive a vehicle that either smells like a french fry or an 18-wheeler ... and ...
If I want to smell like a french fry, I will have to brew my own fuel (gee thanks.) ... and ...
If I want to smell like an 18-wheeler then I have to buy my fuel at Flyin' J truck stops.... and ...

I have to pay thousands $$$ more than my petrol I6 Cruiser for the privilege ?

No Thanks. I'll just be a mansy pansy and stick to petrol for now.

-B-

 

[Beowulf]

Way smoother idiling motor..We could actually have a conversation with the hood open...No rattles or clanging just plain healthy sounding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KKSsh1a58

If this 4BT engine is a quiet diseasel then what does a noisy one sound like?

-B-

 

[KSV]

I have to live with less horsepower than my 212HP 1FZ-FE ... and ....
-B-

Appresiating your opinion I still like to point that this particular one is nonsense. Take 100 LC for example (Australian market). Turbo diesel model yield 150 Kw@3400Rpm and 430Nm@1400RPM from 4.2 donk while V8 170@4800 and 410@3400 from 4.7 one respectively. So pure Kw from 1L became 35.7 v 36.2 – nothing to even talk about. But reality is it is only tip of iceberg. Because TD version manage to get this numbers rotating at 70% comparing to petrol. Furthermore diesel torque almost flat and max achieved at 1400 rpm (exactly when we most need it) – petrol version at this rpm will do about 170-200, i.e. twice weaker. Have you tried to tow something significant like 2.5t boat? If so you immediately appreciate sheer power of diesel comparing to gutless petrol. Diesels actually MORE powerful engines at THE SAME rpm. What they luck of (and BTW it been significantly improved in common-rail versions) is ability to increase rpm rapidly, i.e. they not good for drag machines, but who said that any rig good for this?

NB. I am fully accept your argument about nice lady though
BTW wher is Bumfxxxistan?

 

[Martin White]

A few comments on this thread. First, I'm not all that certain you save very much going to diesel, as service is incredibly expensive. Between injector service, oil changes, fuel filter changes, and injector pumps, it's not anywhere near the savings some people think. Unless the difference between gas and diesel is really huge in price (and it's not, and in the US in large areas it's actually more). Just ask Wayne about this point. I used not to believe it but now that I've owned a diesel HDJ81 for about 18 months I'd say he's right. Don't forget the JDM diesels also cost much more than a US truck.

Also, here in Abbotsford, I filled up at the flying J today for 85.8 per litre for dyno diesel. Regular price for diesel in Abby is 94.9 (variable) and gas is all over the place. I'd guess average at 106.9.

I love the diesel I have. But is it saving megabucks?

Nope.

 

[cruiserdan]

Let me get this straight.

To be a real man....

I have to source my engine parts from Bumfukistan


-B-

 

[Enigma]

propane

 

[tommytuttle]

Tommy, I assume you live in the US. One thing to consider, the diesels are not US spec trucks, meaning parts could be difficult to find and expensive. Also, be prepared to do your own work, you will not likely find a competent mechanic for a foreign truck. If you are buying one for an offroad rig or rec vehicle, its probably no biggie. But if you need to rely on it every day, an FZJ80 might make more sense. Get the one that's right for you.

Thanks, No I live in Ontario, Canada. I did ask my local dealer if they service toyota deseils, good point it probably will take longer to get parts.

Thanks for all your input.

 

[Beowulf]

Take 100 LC for example (Australian market).

Sergiy,
My personal opinion and comments only apply to the USA market. I live in a relatively remote area of the USA and my comments (and personal opinion) apply only to this market. I was primarily responding to the OP's question below:

I imagine many of you have the gas LHD vehicles in the states, what would you give up to get a desiel, or is desiel that much better in the first place?

NB. I am fully accept your argument about nice lady though
BTW wher is Bumfxxxistan?

It's Bumfukistan and that is presumably the place that I would have to find a friendly Toyota dealer willing to look up diseasel engine part numbers for me and willing to ship those parts to New Mexico at which time I would probably pay exorbitant shipping and customs fees. With my luck, my government would likely put me on some terrorists list for "suspicious" foreign purchases from my English speaking buddy in Bumfukistan. But I digress....

-B-

 

[dieseldan]

Sergiy,
I live in a relatively remote area of the US ]

Wow what a surprise.

 

[cruiserdan]

Hey there,

I live in the same area..................

 

[jasonmt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KKSsh1a58

If this 4BT engine is a quiet diseasel then what does a noisy one sound like?

-B-

Honestly anyone who claims any 4BT up until the HPCR versions as "quiet" is either wearing earmuffs or suffering from gross hearing loss. Remember that with a 4BT we are talking about a industrial engine that has been converted for road use.

By the same token though you cannot really compare a 4BT to a 1HDT as far as noise and vibration qualities.