Ditto with interiors. We are almost back to the Henry Ford quote: “You can have any color as long as it’s black.”. I sat in an ‘09 LX a few years ago with a beautiful, rich mix of soft colors and wood up front. The new offerings look to be pretty much flat black. Not for me.
I just drove the GX 550 and left disappointed.
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Seat heat? Seat vent?
In my 80 Series, I just spill hot coffee on the seat to warm in up. When it's hot, I use cherry coke.*
*Vanilla Coke works just as well.
In my 80 Series, I just spill hot coffee on the seat to warm in up. When it's hot, I use cherry coke.*
*Vanilla Coke works just as well.
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I doubt an extreme drop in value. They only sold 20k late model ('16+) LC200's in the US, total. There will always be a following for the last of the V8's no matter the price of fuel. Folks always ask what model my '16 Toyota is.... and ask if it is new? They've never seen one. I'm guessing, they are going to sell 100k 250/550's per year plus another 100k 4Runners. In 10+ years, the late model 200 will be worth more than a '24 250/550 (just my prediction).
I agree with this. The depreciation curve will be much steeper for the 250/550. I decided to trade the 200 in because the value today is high. I wasn’t worried about the realized difference in values I might see in 7-8 years.
I don't see how 200k+ brand new, completely redesigned Toyota BOF 4x4 SUVs just now beginning to enter the market each year, that to the average buyer will pretty much accomplish exactly what an LC200 would, albeit newer, cheaper, better looking, more efficient, with better tech, and in certain models even more power and more capability (V6 TT), and with a factory warranty - won’t significantly affect later year 200 values.
Maybe I'm wrong, but personally I wouldn't buy one today with the market where it is, considering it's lowered value proposition over other new options that are now becoming available.
FWIW I do agree that the LC200 is unique and will hold value better over the long term (10+ years) due to the heritage / enthusiast market that exists. The issue is that there's only so many folks willing to pay such a high premium for that when the vehicle is new (or in the case of a later year 200, slightly used). This is why the vehicle sold like s*** in the first place.
Maybe I'm wrong, but personally I wouldn't buy one today with the market where it is, considering it's lowered value proposition over other new options that are now becoming available.
FWIW I do agree that the LC200 is unique and will hold value better over the long term (10+ years) due to the heritage / enthusiast market that exists. The issue is that there's only so many folks willing to pay such a high premium for that when the vehicle is new (or in the case of a later year 200, slightly used). This is why the vehicle sold like s*** in the first place.
Once a Landcruiser gets to be about 5-6 years old or so, it doesn’t matter if it’s actually 5 years old or 8 years old, and sometimes 12 years old or older.
When the years start piling up, the difference between a LC250 and LC200 comes down to features, reliability and DIY repairs - not age.
Which would I rather have? A 5 year old LC250 or an 8 year old LC200? I’d take the LC200 without question.
When the years start piling up, the difference between a LC250 and LC200 comes down to features, reliability and DIY repairs - not age.
Which would I rather have? A 5 year old LC250 or an 8 year old LC200? I’d take the LC200 without question.
Hey @rexington14. Not being antagonistic and just genuinely curious, how much time have you spent in a 200?
The 4Runner depreciation curve is excellent despite high volume of sales. I tend to think the 4Runner will hold better than the 200 given the lower initial value and the currently high price of the new models. Old 4Runner still presents a strong value proposition vs the new ones. Old 200 - I'm not sure. If the GX ends up as reliable as the 200, I'd have a hard time seeing the 200 be competitive for many buyers vs a used or new GX550. If used lease return GX550s start hitting the market at $50k, I can't see a 6 or 8 year old 200 holding much above $40-45.
But I also would have expected the 5.7 tundra to have a big price drop when the new tundra came out. I think the price retention on the old tundra is largely due to the new tundra being underwhelming. I don't necessarily feel the same about the GX550 - it seems a lot more better than the outgoing GX than the new Tundra was over the last one. So it might out compete the LC200 by a wider margin. Hard to know.
Gas prices also probably play a big role. If we see $8/gallon gas, the LC250 will be the hot item. If we see $2/gal fuel, LC200 is easier to justify.
But I also would have expected the 5.7 tundra to have a big price drop when the new tundra came out. I think the price retention on the old tundra is largely due to the new tundra being underwhelming. I don't necessarily feel the same about the GX550 - it seems a lot more better than the outgoing GX than the new Tundra was over the last one. So it might out compete the LC200 by a wider margin. Hard to know.
Gas prices also probably play a big role. If we see $8/gallon gas, the LC250 will be the hot item. If we see $2/gal fuel, LC200 is easier to justify.
Lets not forget the pandamic had a horrible affect on used (and new) car prices. They have been artificially high since 2021. This is the same year the Tundra's new design. They are slowly becoming more normal but until we get 3+ million new cars on lots. The used car market will be expensive. When new car market recovers and then we wait 3 years for the new cars to become used. Then the poors can afford cars/trucks
A guy on twitter who knows a LOT about the car dealership biz said greyscale (think white to black colors) are cheaper for manufacturers to make. Therefore, most new cars are on the greyscale. Anyways, now that I read that it's all I can see with late model cars. Definitely makes me wish for more green/blue/whatever to break up the drab monotony.
EDIT: I posted before I saw @Specialeyes post. Mods, feel free to delete if not contributory.
I am very happy with my LC200 but honestly, the smaller size of the GX550 intrigues me. I need to justify owning both 
I didn't get a 460 because I don't think it has the best looks, and the 550 sure fixes that. I haven't driven one yet but seeing it in person, I do love it more than the new LC tbh.
I didn't get a 460 because I don't think it has the best looks, and the 550 sure fixes that. I haven't driven one yet but seeing it in person, I do love it more than the new LC tbh.
Anyone listen to The Smoking Tire podcast? He released an episode yesterday sharing his opinions on the 550. I felt like it was a good listen and worth sharing. 40 minute mark is where GX talk begins.
Did he mention when a video was coming out?
