HZJ75 still overheating, viscous fan questions!

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Hi guys

Patient:
Car: 1993 HZJ75, 1HZ with about 200-300'000km.
1HZ with 8psi Turbo and Boost Compensator. EGT installed front of Turbo in middle. I never push throttle so it never goes over 550-600Celcius!
waterpump: still stock
Weight: 3.9tons
Oil: 15W40 synthetic
Radiator: 2 year old 3 or 4 row australian stock replacement. Radiator meshing free of dirt. Has a very small leak, only loosing few drops when parked. Radiator cap is 16lbs, 1 year old.
A/C: yes, but not using it now because of this problems! A/C radiator free of dirt.
Front grill: winch and mosquito netting surely not helping air flow! But helps a lot keeping it clean!
Thermostat: 6 month old, new original Toyota.
Antifreeze: Toyota Red, before some green stuff. Flushed it 4x with water (filled and drained it again)
Viscous Clutch: stock, original. No noise when starting up or when hot. Refilled it 2x with Silicone oil. Read below...
IP: 1 year old, no black or white smoke at WOT. Also not at 4000m altitude!

I started having heat problems in Colombia and refilled my blue viscous fan clutch with 50ml of about 8000Cst Silicone oil from an RC shop.
After I rebuild the viscous fan clutch it got better, but about 1 month later in Ecuador the car already cooked 3x when going uphill at very cool air temperatures (10-15celcius). I had to stop and it already smoked out of the overfill bottle.
The car was cooking even when going very slow uphill in 1st gear and the hood open on the front and rear (spacers I installed 3 month ago)! This was never like that 1 year ago in hot Mexico when going up a mountain! Sure, the oil temp increased back then up to 130Celcius, but the water NEVER left the middle spot.
Now I can't even climb a medium hill and the oil still at 110-120 without having the water gauge go to red!

I have the feeling that there was no big difference between cold and hot, the fan pulls about the same air. Maybe little bit more when hot. And the air is ONLY when I hold my hand above the space between fan and engine. When I hold it near the timing belt cover I feel NO air.
Also when I push the throttle I feel only little bit air on my face when standing on the side of the car. Also no air at timing cover height, even when pushing the throttle.
How strong should I really feel the air? I remember on my 1972 Plymouth it was LOTS of air! On this one I feel it's not a lot?!
I removed the viscous clutch again, filled again 15ml MORE of 10'000Cst I have left and I got now about 65ml of about 9'000Cst silicone oil in there.
It got better yeah, but still, I can't say it would blow my hat of my head or feel like a tornado when cold OR hot.. it's about the same!
At least I did climb today some hills (600meters) and oil temp went from 90 to 110, I felt it kept cooler.. water kept in the middle. But 600meters was not very much, last time it was 1500m hill when it started to cook after around 1000m of height difference.
Otherwise the 200km I did today on flatter roads and small hills was ok, oil always around 80-100Celcius on flat areas at 60-80kmh and my 3.9tons.

Oh and I checked again the bimetall thing on the viscous clutch, it MOVES when I heat it with a lighter and opens the holes inside the clutch, so this works!

Can anyone tell me how strong it should pull air?

ALSO, what type of fan clutch do have Australian J7 with A/C? The blue one or the orange or even red one???

And has anyone ever done the temp gauge mod on a 24V J7? I only found information for 12V system, not for 24V J7 like mine is.

I am thinking to drill some holes and push some bolts through that damn clutch and get a new Toyota one, but don't know which color! Orange is for warmer climates and red for very hot climates. Since I have a Turbo AND A/C this would still be better right?

Please help, I worry about an engine failure!

Michel
 
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What makes you so sure that the viscous fan is the culprit of the overheating? Perhaps your head gasket or whatever???
Essentially, the viscous fan should pull harder whenever you accelerate more.:)
 
because I remember 2 years ago when I left on this trip that I was annoyed that I only heard fan sound instead of the nice engine sound. Today I hardly hear that fan. After refilling I hear the fan a little bit more now, but not really. I also hear no difference between cold or hot.
And as said above, my 1972 Plymouth with 7.2liter engine and viscous fan did almost blow my sunglasses away when I pushed the throttle! This 1HZ fan will not even push a big hat off my head even at 3000RPM! Is that normal?
I never really bothered to check those things back home 2 years ago...

Head is possible, but as said, I don't see any bubbles, oil is clean and when driving on flat roads, even at 80kmh I have absolutely no heat issues, so I guess it's the radiator (although it's only 2 years old) or the fan that seems different to me noisewise...
 
And as said above, my 1972 Plymouth with 7.2liter engine and viscous fan did almost blow my sunglasses away when I pushed the throttle! This 1HZ fan will not even push a big hat off my head even at 3000RPM! Is that normal?

Been a while since I've had a cruiser with a stock toyo engine but they all had pretty aggressive fans that moved a lot of air, both my chevy cruisers are like your Plymouth if I have the shrouds off they pickup newspapers and rubbish off the floor and drag them up through the engine bays its like being in the middle of a storm
 
not on mine... (stock shroud mounted!)
At about 2000RPM it's a maybe 1.5-2x stronger than a regular home hair dryer when I hold my hand 10" away from the shroud... (HOT engine!)
The question is WHY?! 65ml of 9'000Cst Oil and the bimetall turning the holes open should be fine right?!

Oh I forgot to write: the radiator is still leaking a little bit of coolant, but only a few drops. I already had it re welded 2 times!
Radiator cap is about 1 year old. 16lbs.
 
not possible... 1HZ doesn't exit down here in Ecuador.. I am traveling since over 2 years from Canada down to Argentina... only thing I could do is drill holes through my blue viscous clutch and put some bolts in there to fix it at 100%, but I thought I ask first here how it's supposed to behave before I really do that. I would hate to mess it up, they are not cheap and I can't get a new one here either!
 
I had no trouble so far, but mae 80'000km with the Turbo so far, viscous fan is still original (got 200-300'000km). I filled now 65ml of 9'000Cst, that's A LOT! But as said, still have the feeling it's not pulling a lot of air. That's why I question here...
 
Do you radiator hoses get hard as the engine warms up?

The Australian fan clutch is part # 16210-17020 for a 93 HZJ75. I dont know which colour,I thought the colours were for different engines.
3.9 tons is a fair bit to carry around.
 
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I will check them...
I need to change the timing belt very soon and will do the waterpump too since I have it as spare part since we left 2 years ago. Sick of carrying it around ;)

This information I found on the web:

16210-17010 visco blue = cold zones
16210-17040 will be superceeded by #1/blue
16210-17050 visco green = moderate zones
16210-17070 visco red = warme zones

I guess Toyota just puts thicker silicone oil in the different clutches. Funny that for example at Toyotapartszone in the USA I can only find the red visco clutch!?
 
DO you guys think this will help a lot? It's a new alloy oilpan with about +3liters extra from All American Imports.


oilpan.webp
 
I will check them...
I need to change the timing belt very soon and will do the waterpump too since I have it as spare part since we left 2 years ago. Sick of carrying it around ;)

?

I doubt its the water pump. I have replaced 2 1HZ pumps because they were leaking.When removed from the engine and inspected ,the impeller was in perfect condition after 200000klms+ and still pumping well.
I often see the water pump falsely accused of not doing its job. I can understand you are sick of carrying it around but IMO you are better off doing that so you have a good one when you really need it.

As to the colors on the clutch fan, I thought I had seen a black one as well.

Low pressure inside the cooling system means that it will have a lower boiling point. Once you get coolant bubbling around the bores it just adds to the overheating.

I would also try it without the mesh in front of the radiator. I had that when I bought my current HZJ75 but took it off.
Not getting many bugs in there.

You do have a fan shroud?
 
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Yep, got a stock fan shroud...
I know, the mesh doesn't help at all, but I used in in Central America for the bugs (lots!)
Here in south america I will see less bugs in the mountains, that's true!

Took a 300km test drive today. Did 1000m climbs, very steep (1st and 2nd gear at WOT (550 EGT before Turbo)). Oil did climb up to 120C degrees at one very steel hill and then the water also started to climb little bit over the middle. I guess water was getting in the 120 region! Shifted back to 1st gear (car slower but 3500RPM = lots of air) and water temp stopped climbing...
So the extra 15ml of 10'000Cst DID help! The fan did pull pretty much air when I opened the hood. But I think 65ml total is a lot!?
I will see if I can get 15'000Cst, hope that isn't TOO thick?! I wonder what Toyota puts in their red clutch...
But I still think I need more cooling power for such hills... the outside temp was 15C, if hotter or A/C running I surely would be in trouble!

I guess installing a small oil cooler with fan that I can switch on when the oil climbs over 110-120C wouldn't be bad right? I just don't know where I could install that! My engine compartment is full (air compressor, extra diesel filter, A/C, Espar heater etc.) and it's super hot in there, doesn't make sense to put even more stuff that generates heat!
But putting it near the floor will get too much mud and water I worry! Where do you guys would install such a cooler?
And where can I get the oil filter adapter in the USA? I found a way to order stuff in the USA and ship it to Ecuador for an acceptable price.

Michel
 
Few considerations ..

1. Safari have this .. http://www.safarisnorkel.com/turbo/1hz_76/oil_cooler.htm for those who still have temp issues after turbo in 1HZ engine

2. You can go as hi as 20K cst in your fan clutch oil ..

3. Different beast but my 1HD-T can go as far as 150F oil temp, while water temp never go over 184F

4. I hate to ask this.. and maybe I miss it if you posted, how old it's your radiator cap ..?
 
Yeah, already saw it, but I can only order from the USA or Canada...

I just remembered that I got a bypass oil filter (NTZ) with 1/8" NPT stainless steel hoses. I thought I could install the oil cooler to the exit, from there it goes to the valve cover.
The question is now where without generating more heat in that engine compartment?!

Isn't 150 already far too hot? When I reach 130Celcius I stop the car...

Radiator cap is 1 year old, but cheap Mexico cap I bought while traveling through Mexico...
When it was cooking out of the overflow bottle I noticed a little bit of coolant around the cap on the radiator..
 
Radiator cap is 1 year old, but cheap Mexico cap I bought while traveling through Mexico...
When it was cooking out of the overflow bottle I noticed a little bit of coolant around the cap on the radiator..

The 1st thing any reputable radiator shop faced with your problem would be to make sure there is pressure and no leaks in the system.
It is the starting point for diagnosis of overheating cooling systems.
Does the mexico cap have the correct pressure stamped on it? There are good aftermarket caps in australia ,I dont know about the mexican type
 
My test on the viscous coupling is to get it hot ,when it starts getting hot pull over leave it running ,take your boot off and push it on the back of the fan ,if you can stall it add more oil, if that dont fix it replace it. A nother thing to is the foam in between the air con radaitor and the radaitor, that also affects the air flow.
 
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