Has anyone used a hydraulic winch on an 80 series? Would the pump provide enough flow to accmplish this? Anyone know the specs of teh pump?
Hydraulic winch?
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Over here Milmaker Hydrolic winches are marketed by sugesting that they can be powered by Range Rover and Land Rover power steering pumps so I supose it may be possible with an 80.
Never seen it, never heard of it, that being said its probably been done..........................................Oh yaa............. 
http://www.milemarker.com/winch-12.html Yes the main site sugests power steering supply. There is a supplyer who gives performance details of the winches powered by verious pumps and will uprate pumps and give the performance for that, ie pressure . flow and winch speed ect.
alia176
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I've seen these in LRs. They're very slow when winching but fast (er) in the rewind mode. Rewind mode is strictly for rewinding the unloaded cable only. If the flow and psi was higher then the winch would pull much faster. Still, it's a very powerful winch and extremely quiet.
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Hltoppr said:
To me it seems the hydraulic set up would be as simple or more simple. No wiring, isolators,dual bats, battery switches... If I can use the stock pump then it seems to be cheaper option. Besides hydraulic winches would have a longer run time (without overheating) you don't run down your battery. And the 2 speed mile marker winch seems to give options the electric winch doesn't and that's speed and extreme durability.
By the way.... I would like to say hello to everyone. I'm a long time lurker and have had this question but it seems know one has ever asked if it can be done.
Thanks for the links.
Hi, your very welcome, happy to be of assistance. I feel that the hydraulics have many benifits and have seen many electric winches strugle, even with added batteries, uprated altenators ect they just run out of steem or burn out. Electric winches wil however run for a short time with a stalled engine eg a river crossing when an engine has stalled. It is possible to have an electric powered hydraulic pack wich would do just the same.
bjowett
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IMO, the 93 and up cruisers are ideal for a hydraulic winch system. The gear driven PS pump on the 1FZ opens up and excellent drive for a real hydraulic pump, the stock and modded stock units are marginal.
alia176
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Can anyone find out the GPM and PSI for the stock gear driven PS pump? What does MM winch like to have in GPM and PSI for an optimum setup?
Let's not start a electric vs hydraulic debate here if possible! Search will reveal planty of that I'd imagine!!
Let's not start a electric vs hydraulic debate here if possible! Search will reveal planty of that I'd imagine!!
I guess that your choice of winches, electric, hyd., etc. will depend greatly upon how you intend to use it. I, for example, seldom need a winch, as most of my wheeling is travel oriented and not mud or rock crawling. I've never needed a 2nd battery for the winch; a single Optima red top has worked great for years.
So, whatcha gonna be doing?
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So, whatcha gonna be doing?
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I guess I find myself in mud quite often. The specs for the MM winch says 3.5 gpm at 1500psi. IF anyone has any info on the stock gear driven pump please post.
psst, there may be a reason why at least 90% of us that have winches are running Warns.
I think that a hydraulic winch powered by an adequate pump, NOT the power steering pump, would offer some significant advantages. An '80 without a supercharger has plenty of space to mount a serious hydraulic pump. You could use the same crank pully as the supercharger kit to get the drive.
Cost and being dependent on a running engine would not be among the advantages of a hydrualic winch.
What I really don't like about the common electric winch is the extremely high amperage draws and the limited duty cylce.
Cost and being dependent on a running engine would not be among the advantages of a hydrualic winch.
What I really don't like about the common electric winch is the extremely high amperage draws and the limited duty cylce.
Some of the UK guys (80scool) are running Milemarkers and know they're a couple in the US as well. I presume down under has a few as well.
As far as I recollect most of the MM 80 owners put on a seperate higer flow PS pump.
As far as I recollect most of the MM 80 owners put on a seperate higer flow PS pump.
bjowett
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Junk said:psst, there may be a reason why at least 90% of us that have winches are running Warns.
Could it be the superior water proofing?
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Stock pressure on the toyota PS is about 1250 PSI depending on the year, 93-95 is a little less around 1150psi. As for flow I do not know. Does MM add a resivor to the system? if not I personally think the PS system need more fluid in it and a cooler for long wheeling days the current system is not enough, pump wines when the fluid gets warm. Some one that knows pumps may be able to get the pressure relief valve to go higher, but I personally have not looked in to this. I think this has been discussed on the 80 cool list, and the general concensiss was that installing a 2nd pump was the ticket for the most pulling capicaty. Any how jsut what I know and remember from other discussion else where. later robbie
Wouldn't it depend on how often it will be used. If it is there for more of a just-n-case last resort thing, then wouldn't the stock be sufficient? As I'm reading more on this forum, I'm learning that the 80 is so well built to within stand extreme conditions.
Carl
Carl
The resevour is also used to add thermal capacity to the system so that the fluid dosn't overheat.
I've actually been looking in to this a little.
here are some winches:
http://www.warn.com/industrial/winches/series9hyd_pn30279.shtml
http://store.zips.com/products.asp?cat=780
http://www.team-twg.com/DpWinch/Pla...Category=Planetary&Type=Winches&ProductId=8GR
here's a pump:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/...oductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=576&R=576
this one works with a clutch.
another option would be to use a pump/valves that constantly let the pressure output of the pump return to the tank, that way you would need no clutch (not much heat because of lack of pressure)
another option for the pump would be to assemble a gas engine to a hydraulic pump and mount the engine somewhere. This way you would have the winch if the engine is not running.
Northern and/or Grainger sells most of the "glue", including hoses, connectors, tanks, valves.
I think that the whole thing is doable, but would take around 1500-2000 usd. This would be for a system comparable to what's on a towtruck or rollback (these things just pull, no hasles).
Oh yea. If you are not familiar with hydraulics, I would get a book out of the library.
Good luck.
I've actually been looking in to this a little.
here are some winches:
http://www.warn.com/industrial/winches/series9hyd_pn30279.shtml
http://store.zips.com/products.asp?cat=780
http://www.team-twg.com/DpWinch/Pla...Category=Planetary&Type=Winches&ProductId=8GR
here's a pump:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/...oductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=576&R=576
this one works with a clutch.
another option would be to use a pump/valves that constantly let the pressure output of the pump return to the tank, that way you would need no clutch (not much heat because of lack of pressure)
another option for the pump would be to assemble a gas engine to a hydraulic pump and mount the engine somewhere. This way you would have the winch if the engine is not running.
Northern and/or Grainger sells most of the "glue", including hoses, connectors, tanks, valves.
I think that the whole thing is doable, but would take around 1500-2000 usd. This would be for a system comparable to what's on a towtruck or rollback (these things just pull, no hasles).
Oh yea. If you are not familiar with hydraulics, I would get a book out of the library.
Good luck.
