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Good Write-up. Definately useful
HOW TO: World's Most Expensive Jumper Cables
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See if I was rocking the V8 then I would rig it up so that every time the hood opens, a "god ray" would shine down on it and then a recording of harps with a chorus of angels would play from the speakers.
And I think he could make it work electrically anyway!
ntsqd
technerd
Anderson Power Products is the mfg. of those connectors. Most of the winch kits use the 175 amp body size even though that's grossly over-driving their current rating.
Note that even within the same size of connector that they are uniquely keyed so that only like colors will mate. Can not connect a blue to a red etc.
SB Family
There is an SBE family of connectors rated up to 700 amps. These also have communications contacts in the connector.
http://www.andersonpower.com/products/multipole-sbe.html
Note that even within the same size of connector that they are uniquely keyed so that only like colors will mate. Can not connect a blue to a red etc.
SB Family
There is an SBE family of connectors rated up to 700 amps. These also have communications contacts in the connector.
http://www.andersonpower.com/products/multipole-sbe.html
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sandcruiser
....back in the saddle again....
One good reason to connect the negative terminal to the block vs. the battery is to avoid sparks which could ignite the h2 gas that boils off of the battery. Another is to ensure that the ground path is good (corroded battery cables aren't rare).
With your system, and the overkill on the cables you uses, I would think you are just fine to jump your own vehicle by connecting to someone else's battery. You won't get sparks on your battery and the ground path is excellent.
With your system, and the overkill on the cables you uses, I would think you are just fine to jump your own vehicle by connecting to someone else's battery. You won't get sparks on your battery and the ground path is excellent.
$100 from the cop shop: Galls® Permanent-Mount Booster Cables - VP266 : Galls
but yours are rocking!
but yours are rocking!
sandcruiser
....back in the saddle again....
you know, you could have made them slightly more expensive by ordering the cables pre-assembled instead of DIY. Just in case you wanted to really strive for the *most* expensive title. Or, rather, protect what is probably a legit claim to most expensive cables!
Seriously, though, great job. I just added permanent jump cables to my (long) list of eventual mods.
Seriously, though, great job. I just added permanent jump cables to my (long) list of eventual mods.
NLXTACY
Wits' End
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*****UPDATE******
So I got to test out the cables once BEFORE I installed the new Hellroaring BIC. Operation went smooth and really easy. Having polarity LEDs would be nice. And wiring in a way to prevent the solenoid from turning on once the polarity LEDs were lit would also be nice. Just to stupid proof everything. Anyway, the dead battery in the 97 camry was dead in a parking lot. I loaded up the cables, attached them to her battery, turned on the solenoid and within two turn overs the car was started. I turned off the solenoid and everything was fine. No worries about getting the clamps too close to each or anything.
What I don't like about the jumper cables themselves is the cheap clamps I went with and the sleeving. It looks good but I hated it. felt as though the cables need a grip and the sleeving was just too slippery I guess. Too smooth. Now I saw the perfect solution, the zippered up sleeve found on TIG/MIG welders for the gas lines. Need to hunt those down.
So now lets move on to today. I now have the Hellroaring BIC installed. After Mike came to visit me in Yellowstone. Yes, THE Mike. He warned me about using my cable set up WITH the BIC system I am using. I am using the BIC-95150 and using it as STARTING SIDE ISOLATION. The reason I am doing this is because this way the alternator will favor the Aux. when charging AND because I am installing a back up for the main battery. A true back up, not an aux.
So problem is that when jump starting another vehicle using my set up, the BIC needs to be turned off. Now normally the entire reason you have the vehicle DOING the jumping to be on is so that you get battery AND alternator current to the offending battery to start it. This is common and normal. Problem is on my set up is that all that current is forced to go through the BIC. Not good!
Now if you are using Aux. Side Isolation with your BIC, not an issue. So Mike and I, ok Mike, figured out that the best way to utilize what I got would be to ground out the BIC. Thus turning it off. Then all current from JUST my aux. battery would be used to start the other car. Normally this is not ideal but works most of the time. Now for my application because of the type of battery I am using, Deep Cycle Odyssey, this is actually not an issue.
So, what I need to figure out how to wire is to ADD in a ground out (to turn off BIC) from the SAME in cab switch I have. Thoughts?
So I got to test out the cables once BEFORE I installed the new Hellroaring BIC. Operation went smooth and really easy. Having polarity LEDs would be nice. And wiring in a way to prevent the solenoid from turning on once the polarity LEDs were lit would also be nice. Just to stupid proof everything. Anyway, the dead battery in the 97 camry was dead in a parking lot. I loaded up the cables, attached them to her battery, turned on the solenoid and within two turn overs the car was started. I turned off the solenoid and everything was fine. No worries about getting the clamps too close to each or anything.
What I don't like about the jumper cables themselves is the cheap clamps I went with and the sleeving. It looks good but I hated it. felt as though the cables need a grip and the sleeving was just too slippery I guess. Too smooth. Now I saw the perfect solution, the zippered up sleeve found on TIG/MIG welders for the gas lines. Need to hunt those down.
So now lets move on to today. I now have the Hellroaring BIC installed. After Mike came to visit me in Yellowstone. Yes, THE Mike. He warned me about using my cable set up WITH the BIC system I am using. I am using the BIC-95150 and using it as STARTING SIDE ISOLATION. The reason I am doing this is because this way the alternator will favor the Aux. when charging AND because I am installing a back up for the main battery. A true back up, not an aux.
So problem is that when jump starting another vehicle using my set up, the BIC needs to be turned off. Now normally the entire reason you have the vehicle DOING the jumping to be on is so that you get battery AND alternator current to the offending battery to start it. This is common and normal. Problem is on my set up is that all that current is forced to go through the BIC. Not good!
Now if you are using Aux. Side Isolation with your BIC, not an issue. So Mike and I, ok Mike, figured out that the best way to utilize what I got would be to ground out the BIC. Thus turning it off. Then all current from JUST my aux. battery would be used to start the other car. Normally this is not ideal but works most of the time. Now for my application because of the type of battery I am using, Deep Cycle Odyssey, this is actually not an issue.
So, what I need to figure out how to wire is to ADD in a ground out (to turn off BIC) from the SAME in cab switch I have. Thoughts?
ntsqd
technerd
I'm assuming that there is a wire off the BIC that gets grounded in other situations?
If so, then it's simple. Wire a std automotive (Bosch) relay in parallel with your solenoid. Have this relay control grounding of that wire. Turning on the solenoid activating switch also will ground the BIC.
If so, then it's simple. Wire a std automotive (Bosch) relay in parallel with your solenoid. Have this relay control grounding of that wire. Turning on the solenoid activating switch also will ground the BIC.
sandcruiser
....back in the saddle again....
I'd rethink that approach a little-- you are really much better off w/ the alt running while jumping someone else. Keep in mind that when you are jumping someone, you aren't just turning their starter motor, but also recharging their battery. That's a pretty heavy load. Your deep cycle battery is designed to withstand deep discharge, but not so much a rapid discharge.
I don't know anything about the BIC, and your system is too complicated for me to grasp without a diagram, so maybe I'm off.... but I think you would be better served to have the jumper setup include alternator output, if at all possible.
Side note: I saw a setup where someone had wired in a motorcycle battery as a backup battery to their starting battery. It was small, but I imagine it could be enough to boost the starting battery to start the vehicle.
I don't know anything about the BIC, and your system is too complicated for me to grasp without a diagram, so maybe I'm off.... but I think you would be better served to have the jumper setup include alternator output, if at all possible.
Side note: I saw a setup where someone had wired in a motorcycle battery as a backup battery to their starting battery. It was small, but I imagine it could be enough to boost the starting battery to start the vehicle.
NLXTACY
Wits' End
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Yup this one, which is what I am doing as well:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/201721-single-tray-dual-battery-install.html
ntsqd
technerd
An advantage to having the Alt in the jump circuit is that it will raise the voltage so that charging the down battery can happen at a higher rate. Sometimes this is necessary before attempting a jump and sometimes it is not. Just FFT.....
To damn difficult fpr simple jumper cables. I got my 225 amp plugs from napa 29.95 ea. And a good set of cables. It has worked well for 10+ years with no problems at all. I also use one pair connected to the ground only soley for the purpose of disconecting the neg terminal in the event of a roll over.
