Here to introduce the Alldogs Offroad LC250 Lift Springs

[SanJuanJ]

Not condescending as without the OEM spring rates they are just a number. But if other aftermarket suppliers publish their spring rates it could offer some comparison.

@AlldogsOffroad I see that the front springs are described as 1.5” lift and rears are a “medium” spring. So does that mean the front will get 1.5” with no extra weight and the rear gets 1.5” with some extra “medium” weight.

It would be great to know what the additional target weight is for light, medium, and heavy are. I’d assume light = stock. And if the fronts have any extra rate built in for bumper/winch.

Thanks

Alldogs Offroad Spacer Eraser Coil Spring Lift Kit for 250 Series Toyota (Land Cruiser, 4Runner)

www.alldogsoffroad.com

They are selling springs. Asking for a spring rate seems more than fair. And a response that "I think i need to know it" is condescending.

A spring rate is a pretty simple thing to understand (it's not just a number) so I'm sure someone interested can find out what the factory spring rate is and do some math based on your vehicle weight. "Medium" doesn't mean much to me. Potential buyers should be a little picky about getting clear info from people trying to sell stuff, particularly when they seem reluctant or unable to answer the most basic questions.

 

[Corbet]

I agree spring rate is not that hard of a concept to understand. But I’m yet to find a source that defines the spring rate of a factory coil. So knowing the rate of an aftermarket coil does not necessarily help when comparing the two. I’m not weighing all four corners of my truck and calculating what I need like a race car/truck. Plus our trucks see varied payloads verse a race weight that other than fuel is pretty constant.

I understand that the after aftermarket suppliers may not want to publish the spring rate as they took some effort in R&D to develop a product hopefully under the belief it’s better than their competitors. I just want to know “this spring was designed to offer X amount of lift with OEM + X amount of extra payload”. That is what the average consumer needs to know and is supplied by every other supplier of springs I’ve looked at.

I really like what I’m seeing here with this product offering and just want a little more info. I want a firm spring that can handle more weight without much lift. I carry payloads up to gross rating often as well as tow regularly. I’d like a little more up-travel but not enough to force things like new UCA’s. I’d like to add a center type bumper and winch up front.

 

[AlldogsOffroad]

Not condescending as without the OEM spring rates they are just a number. But if other aftermarket suppliers publish their spring rates it could offer some comparison.

@AlldogsOffroad I see that the front springs are described as 1.5” lift and rears are a “medium” spring. So does that mean the front will get 1.5” with no extra weight and the rear gets 1.5” with some extra “medium” weight.

It would be great to know what the additional target weight is for light, medium, and heavy are. I’d assume light = stock. And if the fronts have any extra rate built in for bumper/winch.

Thanks

Alldogs Offroad Spacer Eraser Coil Spring Lift Kit for 250 Series Toyota (Land Cruiser, 4Runner)

www.alldogsoffroad.com

right now we do not offer a light spring. most of the time our "light" coils in the front would be for someone looking for almost stock height. we will eventually offer a heavy rate front and rear but right now we started with our mediums. medium fronts are good for around +100 lbs. the rears being dual rate, we haven't tested to see just how much weight it will take to make them lose at least 1.5" of height.

 

[Corbet]

right now we do not offer a light spring. most of the time our "light" coils in the front would be for someone looking for almost stock height. we will eventually offer a heavy rate front and rear but right now we started with our mediums. medium fronts are good for around +100 lbs. the rears being dual rate, we haven't tested to see just how much weight it will take to make them lose at least 1.5" of height.

Thank you for the front. +100 lbs is good. Let us know on the rear.

 

[jay3253]

I have had your springs on my truck for about 2 mounts and they are not any more harsh than stock. Also, remember these will take the place of leveling blocks because I didn't remember that so the front was up about 3.5in after install. Once I removed the leveling kit it was a 2in lift.

 

[kerner]

Curious if anyone else has put these on a 250. Mostly interested in the ride quality and how it handles weight in the rear. I've got a Dobinsons setup on my 470 and absolutely love it, wouldn't want the LC to ride any harsher than it does with the stock setup.

Adding some additional load capacity - primarily for towing - and 1.5" of lift would be perfect for what I'm wanting to do. I've been debating doing the 1.5" in the front and a 2" Dobinsons setup in the rear, but worried a bit about the rake being excessive.

 

[Corbet]

wouldn't want the LC to ride any harsher than it does with the stock setup.

Adding some additional load capacity - primarily for towing

Those two requests kind of work against one another. A higher spring rate is going to be firmer if the vehicle weight remains the same. It can match OEM ride quality when loaded but you can't really have both. Better shocks of course will help. Especially towing where they have to control more mass. There is always going to be compromise in ride quality for an empty rig verse fully loaded.

 

[kerner]

Those two requests kind of work against one another. A higher spring rate is going to be firmer if the vehicle weight remains the same. It can match OEM ride quality when loaded but you can't really have both. Better shocks of course will help. Especially towing where they have to control more mass. There is always going to be compromise in ride quality for an empty rig verse fully loaded.

I understand that there are tradeoffs, but also recognizing a dual rate or progressive spring helps even out the ride. My goal would be to not have a terrible ride for daily use while still supporting weekends and trips without difficulty.

 

[joseywales]

the LC we installed them on was empty but he does pull a small camper trailer. he said they did not lose much height in the rear with the trailer attached.

“He said” and “much height” in relation to a “small” trailer is the same as saying “we have no idea”.

This is possibly the least useful thread on suspension on all of ‘mud. Sorry for telling it like it is…

 

[Corbet]

Part of the problem is that these springs are offered across multiple vehicles. And while all built on the same platform each is slightly different in weight which will net a different result. This may be a small difference but it's still different. I can only assume the LC-250 is the heaviest over the rear axle(battery) but that is just an assumption. All suspension modifications come with some sort of compromise. I'd like to see posted @AlldogsOffroad this spring is designed to carry "XXX" amount of extra payload and yield "XX"mm of lift. This could be easily posted for each vehicle giving us the answers we are looking for.