Here to introduce the Alldogs Offroad LC250 Lift Springs

[SanJuanJ]

Not condescending as without the OEM spring rates they are just a number. But if other aftermarket suppliers publish their spring rates it could offer some comparison.

@AlldogsOffroad I see that the front springs are described as 1.5” lift and rears are a “medium” spring. So does that mean the front will get 1.5” with no extra weight and the rear gets 1.5” with some extra “medium” weight.

It would be great to know what the additional target weight is for light, medium, and heavy are. I’d assume light = stock. And if the fronts have any extra rate built in for bumper/winch.

Thanks

Alldogs Offroad Spacer Eraser Coil Spring Lift Kit for 250 Series Toyota (Land Cruiser, 4Runner)

www.alldogsoffroad.com

They are selling springs. Asking for a spring rate seems more than fair. And a response that "I think i need to know it" is condescending.

A spring rate is a pretty simple thing to understand (it's not just a number) so I'm sure someone interested can find out what the factory spring rate is and do some math based on your vehicle weight. "Medium" doesn't mean much to me. Potential buyers should be a little picky about getting clear info from people trying to sell stuff, particularly when they seem reluctant or unable to answer the most basic questions.

 

[Corbet]

I agree spring rate is not that hard of a concept to understand. But I’m yet to find a source that defines the spring rate of a factory coil. So knowing the rate of an aftermarket coil does not necessarily help when comparing the two. I’m not weighing all four corners of my truck and calculating what I need like a race car/truck. Plus our trucks see varied payloads verse a race weight that other than fuel is pretty constant.

I understand that the after aftermarket suppliers may not want to publish the spring rate as they took some effort in R&D to develop a product hopefully under the belief it’s better than their competitors. I just want to know “this spring was designed to offer X amount of lift with OEM + X amount of extra payload”. That is what the average consumer needs to know and is supplied by every other supplier of springs I’ve looked at.

I really like what I’m seeing here with this product offering and just want a little more info. I want a firm spring that can handle more weight without much lift. I carry payloads up to gross rating often as well as tow regularly. I’d like a little more up-travel but not enough to force things like new UCA’s. I’d like to add a center type bumper and winch up front.

 

[AlldogsOffroad]

Not condescending as without the OEM spring rates they are just a number. But if other aftermarket suppliers publish their spring rates it could offer some comparison.

@AlldogsOffroad I see that the front springs are described as 1.5” lift and rears are a “medium” spring. So does that mean the front will get 1.5” with no extra weight and the rear gets 1.5” with some extra “medium” weight.

It would be great to know what the additional target weight is for light, medium, and heavy are. I’d assume light = stock. And if the fronts have any extra rate built in for bumper/winch.

Thanks

Alldogs Offroad Spacer Eraser Coil Spring Lift Kit for 250 Series Toyota (Land Cruiser, 4Runner)

www.alldogsoffroad.com

right now we do not offer a light spring. most of the time our "light" coils in the front would be for someone looking for almost stock height. we will eventually offer a heavy rate front and rear but right now we started with our mediums. medium fronts are good for around +100 lbs. the rears being dual rate, we haven't tested to see just how much weight it will take to make them lose at least 1.5" of height.

 

[Corbet]

right now we do not offer a light spring. most of the time our "light" coils in the front would be for someone looking for almost stock height. we will eventually offer a heavy rate front and rear but right now we started with our mediums. medium fronts are good for around +100 lbs. the rears being dual rate, we haven't tested to see just how much weight it will take to make them lose at least 1.5" of height.

Thank you for the front. +100 lbs is good. Let us know on the rear.

 

[jay3253]

I have had your springs on my truck for about 2 mounts and they are not any more harsh than stock. Also, remember these will take the place of leveling blocks because I didn't remember that so the front was up about 3.5in after install. Once I removed the leveling kit it was a 2in lift.

 

[kerner]

Curious if anyone else has put these on a 250. Mostly interested in the ride quality and how it handles weight in the rear. I've got a Dobinsons setup on my 470 and absolutely love it, wouldn't want the LC to ride any harsher than it does with the stock setup.

Adding some additional load capacity - primarily for towing - and 1.5" of lift would be perfect for what I'm wanting to do. I've been debating doing the 1.5" in the front and a 2" Dobinsons setup in the rear, but worried a bit about the rake being excessive.

 

[Corbet]

wouldn't want the LC to ride any harsher than it does with the stock setup.

Adding some additional load capacity - primarily for towing

Those two requests kind of work against one another. A higher spring rate is going to be firmer if the vehicle weight remains the same. It can match OEM ride quality when loaded but you can't really have both. Better shocks of course will help. Especially towing where they have to control more mass. There is always going to be compromise in ride quality for an empty rig verse fully loaded.

 

[kerner]

Those two requests kind of work against one another. A higher spring rate is going to be firmer if the vehicle weight remains the same. It can match OEM ride quality when loaded but you can't really have both. Better shocks of course will help. Especially towing where they have to control more mass. There is always going to be compromise in ride quality for an empty rig verse fully loaded.

I understand that there are tradeoffs, but also recognizing a dual rate or progressive spring helps even out the ride. My goal would be to not have a terrible ride for daily use while still supporting weekends and trips without difficulty.

 

[joseywales]

the LC we installed them on was empty but he does pull a small camper trailer. he said they did not lose much height in the rear with the trailer attached.

“He said” and “much height” in relation to a “small” trailer is the same as saying “we have no idea”.

This is possibly the least useful thread on suspension on all of ‘mud. Sorry for telling it like it is…

 

[Corbet]

Part of the problem is that these springs are offered across multiple vehicles. And while all built on the same platform each is slightly different in weight which will net a different result. This may be a small difference but it's still different. I can only assume the LC-250 is the heaviest over the rear axle(battery) but that is just an assumption. All suspension modifications come with some sort of compromise. I'd like to see posted @AlldogsOffroad this spring is designed to carry "XXX" amount of extra payload and yield "XX"mm of lift. This could be easily posted for each vehicle giving us the answers we are looking for.

 

[JustinU235]

Bump for more info from manufacturer/people that installed them.

 

[Skik2four]

Nice improvement for on road driving, first wheeling test will be today. I will report back. I've had them on the cruiser about 2 weeks. The lift is not much but it is just enough in my opinion.

 

[Skik2four]

I did a fair bit of wheeling yesterday with the new springs and they really improve the front-end handling. The lazy lumbering back and forth of the stock front-end is gone. The truck is very stable and predictable. I was able to articulate the suspension over some large obstacles, and it handled very well. No rubbing with my 34s, no strange noises from the suspension. Nothing binding at the extreme ends of compression and extension. I also have a heavy winch installed so my front end is around 65lbs heavier than stock; the springs definitely help with that. I also have around 100lbs of extra weight on the rear end roof so all around this was a good purchase. I gained about 1.25" - 1.375" in height over stock. Definitely better than a spacer or preload lift. I estimate my ground clearance is north of 10.5". with the 34s and Alldogs springs. This was a very good purchase.

 

[JustinU235]

I did a fair bit of wheeling yesterday with the new springs and they really improve the front-end handling. The lazy lumbering back and forth of the stock front-end is gone. The truck is very stable and predictable. I was able to articulate the suspension over some large obstacles, and it handled very well. No rubbing with my 34s, no strange noises from the suspension. Nothing binding at the extreme ends of compression and extension. I also have a heavy winch installed so my front end is around 65lbs heavier than stock; the springs definitely help with that. I also have around 100lbs of extra weight on the rear end roof so all around this was a good purchase. I gained about 1.25" - 1.375" in height over stock. Definitely better than a spacer or preload lift. I estimate my ground clearance is north of 10.5". with the 34s and Alldogs springs. This was a very good purchase.

Outstanding! Thank you for the write up. I've had these spring sitting in my garage for a while hmming and hawwing as to whether it's worth it, sounds like it is if one doesn't want to do a bigger mod and just wants to account for more weight all around. I'm also now towing a tandem trailer with a 2 seat side by side so it'll help with that as well.

Thanks again!

 

[JustinU235]

I finally got around to installing these myself about 2 weeks ago and I'm very pleased with the results. It "improves" the ride by being stiffer..., so less boaty feeling, less body roll through corners, and little to no nose dive on braking. Being stiffer, it is a little harsher, IMO, over washboards. I have a pretty badly washboarded state road near me and with these springs, the harshness actually triggered the G-force sensor in my dashcam to save a video.

However, I'll take that trade-off for the improved dynamics overall.

I ended up with almost exactly 2" in the front and about 1.75" rear right after install, I will measure again after some settling. I do have the TrekBoxx rear cargo deck which is 27 pounds of additional weight and Greenlane aluminum rock sliders. I'm also installing a non-winch front bumper and I tow a double axle 12 foot trailer with my side by side. Those things are why I wanted a little stiffer spring with some mild lift.

Not the best photos, but this photo is after about a week of settling. I run LT255/80R17 on method 703 bead grips +35 offset. I have about 3/4" rake front to rear. Once I have the bumper installed, I'll do my final measurements.

This is towing. I'm very happy with the handling of the towing.

This past weekend, I had the LC on jack stands for maintenance and I have exactly 3" of droop in the front. I'm not sure how much of a loss there is with these, but from the posts above, it doesn't sound like it is impactful as compared to the gains for my other needs. Everyone will have to decide for themselves what's important and the tradeoffs they accept.

I am still running OEM shocks and I'm curious as to what others would suggest as replacements to run with these springs.


Finally, the posts above and this video from All Dogs is what inspired me to finally install them. The install is identical to the 4Runner in this video, and they give a little more info about the springs in the video.

 

[kerner]

This is towing. I'm very happy with the handling of the towing.

Looks like you end up with a little bit of negative rake when towing. Do you know what the tongue weight is on that trailer with your SXS loaded? I've been leaning towards installing these springs and a set of the timbren SES bump stops to help with towing.

 

[JustinU235]

Looks like you end up with a little bit of negative rake when towing. Do you know what the tongue weight is on that trailer with your SXS loaded? I've been leaning towards installing these springs and a set of the timbren SES bump stops to help with towing.

I don't know for sure. I keep meaning to determine that.