Help

[champjack]

i am sure with out a doubt however, that there is no way in the world that my wife was bagging on this unit........she si an ex drivers ed teacher and takes speed limits and drivig habbits quite serioius im sure it was not abused on the way here

 

[light_duty]

Jack, the LJ78 is an awesome truck, but it's underpowered, and without a pyrometer to measure exhaust gas temperature, it's VERY easy to raise combustion temps to a dangerous level. High EGTs are bad news for any diesel, but the 2L-Tx heads from the early '90s supposedly had a water jacket too close to the combustion chamber, so when a crack opens up, boom you're toast. It's happened to lots of folks - me, 2rivers, as well as some other people that I know.

No one is questioning your wife's driving abilities. It's just that these trucks demand special treatment. You've got to keep your foot right out of it - half throttle is good - and be ready to putz up a long hill at 50 km/h. I put in a pyro and mechanical temp gauge to help me monitor the engine.

Believe me, I've asked myself on several occasions whether I wanted to keep my LJ78, but I've got over 1000km on a new head that I put in myself, and it's running great. It's great on fuel, it's comfortable on the highway, and a great little off-road truck. Hang in there, you'll dig it.

Robin

 

[champjack]

sorry cansurf i am sortof in the dark here so i am not sure at this point who is looking at the unit

 

[CanSurf]

I heard from Nick and he is unable to help because he is swamped. He said he has a friend that might be able to do the work. So if your contact at 4Wheel doesn't work out let me know and I'll put you in touch with Nick.

Wes

sorry cansurf i am sortof in the dark here so i am not sure at this point who is looking at the unit

 

[champjack]

thanks man (light duty ) that is the kind of stuff i need to here at this point.i think i read some where it was rated at 97ph and that is cool with me as i am and old man lol or it just feels that way i have been checking out this site for a few days and did not see much conversation on my year and model........i don't have any disseire to climb mountains of rock but i would like to go through some mud and what not ........so would you say that it is a good unit to do ligh off road or is it more of a highway unit ........the wife says it handels and rides great

 

[canadam]

I just came across this thread, I've been working an not around much as of late.

I'm sorry to hear about the issues that Bev and Jack have had with the vehicle. I've been phoned, and just noticed 2 PM's looking for advice on the issue. Unfortunately, I don't know what to say.

I daily drove the truck for approximately 5000kms with no problems whatsoever. I did my best to explain to the buyer how to drive the truck to avoid overheating, however; I'm not a driving instructor and only did the best I could. The fact that the truck didn't overheat until Hinton may be an indicator that the truck I sold had no problems. After all, the hardest part of the journey (through the mountains) had been completed.

It's a shame the dealership in Edmonton turned you away, I know that there are BC dealers that have been happy to deal with Japanese trucks.

Sorry to hear about the bad luck, I hope it can easily be sorted. If I had to direct you to someone, I'd personally reccommend Wayne, as I have with any buyer that has responded to my for sale ad looking for an automatic truck.

Good luck.

 

[canadam]

Thank you Jack, I appreciate this.

i would not say and could not say that the head was crakded befor i bought it

 

[champjack]

only 80 000k on tjhis rifg sorry for frustration just the story of my life in the last year or two just fits right in there sorry for th whining and thannks for the info

 

[hawkesis]

I'm sorry to hear about the issues that Bev and Jack have had with the vehicle. I've been phoned, and just noticed 2 PM's looking for advice on the issue. Unfortunately, I don't know what to say.

well...let's explore a few options!!!!

you could say "hey man, so sorry this happened, let me ease the pain and throw back at you $1000.00 of the $13,500.00 you gave me for the vehicle....this might help cover some of the costs you are about to incur."

or....

"hey jack! ..i was trying to sell that rig for months, I am so grateful you took it off my hands i want to help you out with the costs of fixing it so you can actually end up with it ... !"

or....

"Jack i would like to welcome you to the "landcruiser geek club"...we all respect and look out for one another.....here's a few bucks to ease the pain and sweeten the experience rather than sour it!"

would jack actually ask you for any of this...no!

he, on the other hand, would bend over backwards for you to save face within the landcruiser community!

he's a really great guy...are you?

 

[lshobie]

I'm with Hawkesis, help Jack out Canadam.

Regards

 

[crushers]

allow me to talk from experience.
the 2LTE is a great LITTLE motor but the head issues are not cheap. you are looking at a $3000 repair bill. the head gaskets are not the problem, the cracks between the valves are.
the cracking could easily occure in the mountains and not show up till in the flats. here is what likely happened. your wife is taking it easy, climbing the lills gently and at the speed limit and this is the problem. the EGTs climb through the roof while pulling TO speed, even with a gentle foot, once AT speed the truck has no problem holding the speed at a normal EGT temp (unless you come to a GENTLE LONG hill). most drivers do not know this so they thing they are doing a good thing. a couple tricks i have found to really help on the EGT problem is DISCONNECT the waste gate completely, your boost will go to about 14 psi and the EGTs will not go over 1000F even under the hardest throttle (caution though the water temp can still climb so don't push it). another is a larger exhaust to help flow the exhaust temps quicker. A PYRO IS A MUST and a boost guage if disconnecting the waste gate.
i have no doubt that the truck had no cracks when she picked it up. canadam is a good person and has no reputation of shady dealings. i have had to warranty 2 heads even after taking the customers for an hour long test drives and installed the abouve gauges and taught the buyers about the temps and what they can do. for some reason people can not get it in their head that a "few SECONDS" is not an hour long drive into a head wind.

Dan does not have a mech that works for him (not that that means anything) but i don't think they have any expereince with working on a 2LTE. I had forgot about Nick, he has a good rep (so i hear) and it is too bad he is busy.

i highly doubt that your wife knowingly abused the truck, i doubt that canadam intentionally sold a rig with a bad head.

my take on the matter is IF canadam wants to refund some money that is between him and you and not for the board to pressure one way or another.
what i would have INSISTED on was a pyro installed, there is a real good chance this whole thing could have been avoided.

as a side note, i have never met Adam, i have never had dealings with him but usually someone that is ripping people off don't post nearly 100 post to such a tight knit board.

as a final note, was a warranty infered at time of sale? $13,500 sounds like a very good deal if the truck has 80,000K on it. I have seen much higher km units go for $16,000++.

i hope the 2 parties involved can come to a fair agreement in the end.

i have no problem looking at the unit and ProActive are very good at these trucks now.

 

[light_duty]

While I agree that it would be nice if Adam wanted to help Jack out, he is certainly under no obligation to do so, and should not be made to feel like a rat bastard if he chooses not to do anything. He sold the truck in good faith (after all, the truck got as far as Hinton before packing it in), and it was a used car purchase. Caveat Emptor.

If Adam was a curber or a dealer, different story. But a private sale, sorry folks, Adam doesn't owe anyone anything.

I feel for both sides on this issue, but ultimately it's up to Adam if he chooses to chip in a bit for the repair, and no one should hold it against him if he decides no.

 

[Hawke]

I just came across this thread, I've been working an not around much as of late.

I'm sorry to hear about the issues that Bev and Jack have had with the vehicle. I've been phoned, and just noticed 2 PM's looking for advice on the issue. Unfortunately, I don't know what to say.

I daily drove the truck for approximately 5000kms with no problems whatsoever. I did my best to explain to the buyer how to drive the truck to avoid overheating, however; I'm not a driving instructor and only did the best I could. The fact that the truck didn't overheat until Hinton may be an indicator that the truck I sold had no problems. After all, the hardest part of the journey (through the mountains) had been completed.

It's a shame the dealership in Edmonton turned you away, I know that there are BC dealers that have been happy to deal with Japanese trucks.

Sorry to hear about the bad luck, I hope it can easily be sorted. If I had to direct you to someone, I'd personally reccommend Wayne, as I have with any buyer that has responded to my for sale ad looking for an automatic truck.

Good luck.

So, let me get this straight, you are saying you sold the Cruiser and it breaks down in less than 300 miles you are not willing to help the buyer in any way?

Think about this and reconsider. Where is your integrity?

 

[Hawke]

(after all, the truck got as far as Hinton before packing it in), and it was a used car purchase. Caveat Emptor.

As far as Hinton? Are you kidding Me? That is less than 300 miles. How would you feel if you bought a vehicle for a reasonable price and it only made it 300 miles? Would you think the seller should help you out? I certainly hope so and I'm sure Adam feels the same.

Caveat Emptor usually kicks in after 300 miles if the seller is honest. Actually, I think Caveat Emptor kicks in about 326 miles.

 

[Hawke]

you are looking at a $3000 repair bill. the head gaskets are not the problem, the cracks between the valves are.
the cracking could easily occure in the mountains and not show up till in the flats. canadam is a good person and has no reputation of shady dealings.



my take on the matter is IF canadam wants to refund some money that is between him and you and not for the board to pressure one way or another.
quote]

Canadam was specifically asked about the over heat problem and how the Cruiser should be driven. He knew the problem and he should have told the buyer how to drive it.

It is "not for the board to pressure one way or another"? This is not a business conglomorate that needs a board. This is a tight-knit group of Land Cruiser enthusiasts that help each other out. The over-heating problem is obviously known by all on this forum.

Adam (canadam) needs to step up to the plate and do the honourable thing.

This will not go away as long as I have anything to say about it.

Ban me from the forum if you wish but I will not shut up.

 

[Hawke]

and should not be made to feel like a rat bastard if he chooses not to do anything.

"rat bastard"? The jury is now deliberating.

 

[light_duty]

I did say that I thought it would be nice of Adam could help him out. I also said that he is under no obligation to do so. The mileage is not relevant, though it seems like it should be.

No one really knows what happened out there on that god-forsaken stretch of the Yellowhead, so how much can you ask of the seller. It's one person's word against another.

Like Wayne said, I hope that a mutually satisfactory solution can be reached. It would definitely be a graceful gesture on Adam's part to ease the blow a little. I was merely pointing out that he shouldn't feel like people are going to slag him if he exercises his right to stay out of it.

When I bought my Prado, the head was cracked from day 1. Was I pissed off? Sure! Was my wife pissed off about the wasted money? You have no idea! But what can you do? Buying a used car privately is inherently risky. As soon as it's out of the driveway, it's your baby now.

That's all. I'm not trying to take sides. For the record, I don't know Adam, never spoken to the dude.

Robin

P.S. Eraserhead avatar and Rimbaud sig line? Respect!

 

[light_duty]

"rat bastard"? The jury is now deliberating.

Poetic license, cut me some slack.

 

[Hawke]

I did say that I thought it would be nice of Adam could help him out. I also said that he is under no obligation to do so. The mileage is not relevant, though it seems like it should be.


P.S. Eraserhead avatar and Rimbaud sig line? Respect!

Thanks Robin. All I can ask of you or other Cruiser enthusiasts is "what would you do if you bought a vehicle that didn't even make it 300 miles"?

Think about it as if the shoe was on your foot. You would not be happy, especially if you asked about over-heating issues when you bought it.

Adam got a good $ for the Cruiser. He needs to help out here.

 

[canadam]

Crushers, absolutely no warranty was inferred in the sale of the truck. As with any
private sale of a vehicle, it should never be expected. As per the handwritten sale agreement
the buyer requested, the truck was sold "as-is" and "as viewed" the day the buyer made me an
offer I accepted.

Unfortunately, at the cost I sold the truck I cannot offer any warranty or assistance. If the
buyer was looking for a truck with a guarantee, many import dealers offer such deals. As for
"good money" I've been told these trucks are selling for up to $4,500 more than what I let it go
for.

Canadam was specifically asked about the over heat problem and how the Cruiser
should be driven. He knew the problem and he should have told the buyer how to drive it.
It is "not for the board to pressure one way or another"? This is not a business conglomorate
that needs a board. This is a tight-knit group of Land Cruiser enthusiasts that help each other
out. The over-heating problem is obviously known by all on this forum.

You're right, I was contacted by your sister regarding overheating problems and driving
instruction. As requested, I explained to the buyer that the trucks are known to overheat if
pushed too hard, and did my best to explain how to drive the truck like I had. Like stated, I'm
not a driving instructor. I'm not sure why you're saying "should," I did what I could.
Furthermore, I'm not responsible for someone buying a vehicle off me they don't know how to
drive. However, going here appears to admit that the problem arose from owner abuse, and it
blows my mind that you're asking me to compensate the buyer for something they did. If you are
so close to the buyer, and fully aware of the "obvious" overheating problems that my truck never
had, why didn't YOU give the buyer a driving lesson? Why didn't YOU make sure the truck was
checked out if you are convinced it had an issue? If the buyer had requested a mechanical check
of the vehicle, I'd have happily obliged. If you think I sold a rig with head problems, you're
seriously going to have to consider how the truck made it through the Rocky Mountains before
having problems.

It's a shame that my honesty is being questioned, I can't think of any better proof of a good
running truck than 5000kms of daily driving. The buyer's relatives deliberating on whether or
not I am a "rat bastard" or not, and admitting to hounding me until I do something I'm not
required to isn't helping the situation.


I'm sorry the issue was had with the truck, I can't do any more than say that.
I have nothing more to say about this.