tempting and then the 2025 4runner gets thrown in the mix this fall.Oh dear.... Got a call from my dealership. Trail dust, and no mark ups..
Thinkingand decisions....
GX550 & LC250 Tracking Thread
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You’ll get there. Having two kids in travel hockey definitely helped me. On to 400k, although at a slower pace.161717 behind....
TheLCProject
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My local MSRP Toyota dealer had a list of 70+ deep on the 2024 LC before they got their first allocation. Their presumption was that they were going to take 12-18 months to sell through that list with them getting 4-8 units per month. I just checked in yesterday and was told the list is 12 people deep at the moment.
So...people aren't converting their reservations, generally, even at MSRP, and even here in excess-cash-land Northern California.
I can't imagine that they've received anymore than 10-15 units since the time the list was 70 deep.
Either the economy is about to take a dump, the LC is priced WAY too high, people don't like the new LC, or......some combination of that and other factors.
So...people aren't converting their reservations, generally, even at MSRP, and even here in excess-cash-land Northern California.
I can't imagine that they've received anymore than 10-15 units since the time the list was 70 deep.
Either the economy is about to take a dump, the LC is priced WAY too high, people don't like the new LC, or......some combination of that and other factors.
Fort9378
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It's like all waitlists. It's a lot less commitment to get on a waitlist than to buy a 60k vehicle. Plus there were a lot of people on multiple lists.
TheLCProject
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These were deposited (refundable) spots, so a little more teeth, but not much. It's just interesting to note the demand apparently not being as committed.
Compare that to the multiple years of wait we hear in Japan and Australia for 300 and 70 series.
Fort9378
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Point still stands. Just look at what happens every time a new Tesla model gets announced. Anyone who thought these vehicles were going to have nationwide waits of 6-12 months never accurately understood the market in the first place. People love the excitement of new models. They then usually rethink a year later and go "You know what, I'm fine with my current vehicle". You've been able to secure MSRP allocations since the first allocations in DC/MD/VA eith no waitlist and there are already reports of people buying them off the lots at MSRP.
While I believe these models will be more popular than the 200 they are still niche. They're in a market where you're paying luxury cost for an offroader. It isn't a huge market. Most are going to go for cheaper offroaders, or true luxury vehicles. The Land Cruiser has never possesed the customer base in the US that it has overseas. That will likely always be the case. Remote touring/hard use just really isn't a thing in the US outside of a very small group of people.
Likely so. Same dynamic with the 100/200 - if you’re in the $65-70k market, the jump up $10-15k isn't big.
I foresee the mall crawling Defender crowd in my area flocking to the GX as their next show piece.
TheLCProject
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For sure.
For me, I feel like there is enough benefit to the GX550 over the LC to pay $15k more than the 1958.
I’m currently going through the mental arithmetic of if this pencils out for me…
Gx in the luxury and luxury+ trims has more
comfort features (massage seats, lumbar support for passenger, 2nd row bucket seats, moonroof, and kick sensor for liftgate) but also is $15k more and gets much worse gas mileage. Over a 10 year life it’s prob $25k more, or $2.5k per year. Is that a good trade? Depends on who you are and what you want, I want the lux features and good gas mileage. Meaning I should prob wait for the gx to offer a hybrid motor tbh.
One of my hang ups with this new gen is that the gap has shrunk as far as the luxury aspect is concerned between the two. I haven’t checked out a Lux+ trim on the GX but I have been in both a OT and Prem+ and while they are nice, they are not that much nicer ($15k) than a well equipped LC 250, IMO.
Right. Boils down to preference for Lexus styling (and brand prestige) and towing capacity for those with the need. KDSS is a notable mention but Im willing for forfeit it with the LC. Im looking forward to 23mpg coming from years of running in the 10-15 range with our V8s.
For sure. More so the "regular Joe" than us enthusiasts... But then also true, as you see some comments above. For the regular person it is really a no brainer.
And , it really is not a brainer at all. What is happening here is that finally Toyota decided to sell the Prado here at the same time they sell the GX, and that is a clash that inevitably will cannibalize LC sales...
I might be totally wrong here, but , I don't think there is other market in the world where Toyota sells both the GX and the Prado, but I might be wrong. But even if I am, it is just a few places I am sure.... The majority of the world has the LC and the Prado, not a Lux-Prado aka GX .
And , it really is not a brainer at all. What is happening here is that finally Toyota decided to sell the Prado here at the same time they sell the GX, and that is a clash that inevitably will cannibalize LC sales...
I might be totally wrong here, but , I don't think there is other market in the world where Toyota sells both the GX and the Prado, but I might be wrong. But even if I am, it is just a few places I am sure.... The majority of the world has the LC and the Prado, not a Lux-Prado aka GX .
I'd think you are correct an all, a combo of all plus I would add a few folks just realizing that they have good cars, like some user said it.
I think it's a combination of factors.... There are signs the US consumer is slowing their spending. Interest rates remain high and loan delinquencies are increasing rapidly. Also, looking at forum and youtube comments there is an almost universal complaint about the switch to a turbo 4 cylinder in the Tacoma, 4Runner and Land Cruiser. The other constant complaint is that vehicles are just too expensive. At first I discounted these complaints and figured it would be a year at least before any of these new models would be available without dealer mark-up but dealers are already advertising Tacomas below MSRP. With the V35 cloud also hanging over Toyota I think most of these models will be available to buy off the lot this year at MSRP or less.
Fort9378
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Not sure if related to the hold on 250s, GXs, and 4runners but it is certainly convenient timing.
Franken470
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Nope, all models mentioned are cars, and crossovers, 2020 was the most recent year related, this is all happening in hind sight/retro spect.
Fort9378
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Yeah I saw the section that mentioned what models had the falsified testing. I didn't see anywhere that specified which models were barred from shipping. Though it is the logical conclusion that it's the ones that had issues.
If you are getting discouraged by dealers adding ADM, Valenti Toyota in Westerly, RI told me they are selling at MSRP. I don’t know how long their waiting list is.
Franken470
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Who all has taken delivery on a OT+? I’ve really only seen a handful
Of posts nationwide, leading me to believe it will end up being the most rare package offered.
Of posts nationwide, leading me to believe it will end up being the most rare package offered.
