GX460 & GXOR B.S. thread (2 Viewers)

[Rednexus]

I don't understand either of these statements? Explain to me like I'm retarded (I am).

When I'm in 4lo and unlocked it is just as difficult to make a tight turn as in a part time 4wd vehicle that is in 4lo. I also don't understand how activating the center lock would change turning radius for the better?

AWD = a GX when the CDL is unlocked. 4WD/4x4 = A GX where the CDL is locked, or a part-time 4x4 vehicle in 4x4 low or high range.

Turns unlocked/AWD mode and in 4LO should be no different than unlocked and in 4HI, only the vehicle is geared down more.

It's a feature I use all the time, BUT my GX also gets a lot of towing duty. When moving into our not-quite-finished house, we rented a cargo trailer and pulled it with the GX. Loaded, it was probably 5,000 pounds or so. Backing up to my garage to unload it at the time involved a cramped 90 degree turn, then a steep gravel-covered slope to the garage door itself. It's not possible to back a trailer up that with a 2WD vehicle, as a ton of contractors who worked on the house struggled with the same slope with their 2500 trucks.

My GX....no problem. 4-LO gave it plenty of torque and allowed me to go slow on the maneuver, while running it in AWD mode let me make the sharp turn with no steering binding. Kind of funny as my cabinet guy couldn't get up it at all with his Ford PSD and a similar-sized trailer. He just spun out, then his hitch dug into the gravel.

I also run in 4-LO with the CDL unlocked often when wheeling on non-technical things where I want to go slow. I'd have a hard time going to a part-time 4x4 vehicle after getting spoiled by the functionality of the AWD GX. Not to mention how much better the AWD on the GX is on gravel, snow, and wet roads (where it's basically drives like a big, heavy Subaru) than a part-time vehicle is.

 

[Acrad]

I use a CDL unlocked and 4L a lot too

 

[Acrad]

I need to do a lot of things someday … sliders really should be my next mod but I’m careful ( I do have skids and didn’t once hit anything). I went up to Lion Rock today above Ellensburg. That side is a paved road but if you come in Liberty side (I went in this way) it feels like a creek bed in parts. Check out the Liberty Cafe in the area you won’t regret it for food.

I haven’t been up there in a few years. This sits not too far from where Driving Sports TV off-road course is located. I often drive by seeing him testing vehicles on that hill.

 

[Cold Iron]

I need to do a lot of things someday … sliders really should be my next mod but I’m careful ( I do have skids and didn’t once hit anything). I went up to Lion Rock today above Ellensburg. That side is a paved road but if you come in Liberty side (I went in this way) it feels like a creek bed in parts. Check out the Liberty Cafe in the area you won’t regret it for food.

I haven’t been up there in a few years. This sits not too far from where Driving Sports TV off-road course is located. I often drive by seeing him testing vehicles on that hill.



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Great pictures! Thanks for posting them brings back a lot of memories. There is a place in the Olympics on top of a mountain where when the cloud ceiling is low enough you see just the mountain tops of the Cascades. All the way down to Oregon up into BC. Rainer is straight across the Sound and to the right of it is old flat top. There was a thread on Upland Journal back on May 18 asking where you were on May 18 1980, 45 years ago when Mount Saint Helens blew.

I was sitting off the coast of Iran during the Iranian hostage crisis situation at the time. And had a stretch of 118 days straight at sea the longest of any ship since WW2. About 6 months prior to the blow is when the Hood Canal bridge sank during a storm.

Keep promising myself that I will make it back to that mountain and get that view again. It has changed a lot over the years since then. Last Tuesday shot sporting clays with a retired Navy Chief Gunners Mate he was DEVGRU armorer that retired in Wa. and is a contract hunter doing Wildlife Control for the WDFW. He only gets about 3 months of work a year so rough job LOL. He is the nephew of a coworker that is a retired Sr. Chief. Talking to him I was a bit shocked how much things have changed from almost half a Century ago.

Favorite commercial of all time



Same location today that someone recreated this year

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I need to carry my arse back there sooner than later.

 

[Acrad]

Interesting personal history you have. I was young but remember that situation vividly on the news with Iran..at home I think something about yellow ribbons being tied up too in support of hostages.

I had forgotten about that Rainier commercial

I do remember when St Helens blew… we could hear and feel the shockwave hit the side of the house roughly 121 miles to the north. I think the last I read on it was that the blast was equivalent to 24 Megatons.

Also remember when bridge sank because my father was heading out to fish on the coast and they had to drive around the following weekend.

 

[Roody]

AWD = a GX when the CDL is unlocked. 4WD/4x4 = A GX where the CDL is locked, or a part-time 4x4 vehicle in 4x4 low or high range.

Turns unlocked/AWD mode and in 4LO should be no different than unlocked and in 4HI, only the vehicle is geared down more.

It's a feature I use all the time, BUT my GX also gets a lot of towing duty. When moving into our not-quite-finished house, we rented a cargo trailer and pulled it with the GX. Loaded, it was probably 5,000 pounds or so. Backing up to my garage to unload it at the time involved a cramped 90 degree turn, then a steep gravel-covered slope to the garage door itself. It's not possible to back a trailer up that with a 2WD vehicle, as a ton of contractors who worked on the house struggled with the same slope with their 2500 trucks.

My GX....no problem. 4-LO gave it plenty of torque and allowed me to go slow on the maneuver, while running it in AWD mode let me make the sharp turn with no steering binding. Kind of funny as my cabinet guy couldn't get up it at all with his Ford PSD and a similar-sized trailer. He just spun out, then his hitch dug into the gravel.

I also run in 4-LO with the CDL unlocked often when wheeling on non-technical things where I want to go slow. I'd have a hard time going to a part-time 4x4 vehicle after getting spoiled by the functionality of the AWD GX. Not to mention how much better the AWD on the GX is on gravel, snow, and wet roads (where it's basically drives like a big, heavy Subaru) than a part-time vehicle is.

OK, but what about if the traction control is disabled?

 

[Acrad]

Post in thread '460-Add Crawl Control (CC) and Multi Terrain Select (MTS) to 2010-2019 models/all trims'

Oct 27, 2019

A fellow CL member brings up a good point about when ATRAC is enabled on a MTS equipped 460. Many here who have these mods have pushed their vehicle to limits I will likely never do so curious as to your observations of MTS/Crawl and if you notice ATRAC wasn't engaged in just 4L with no crawl or MTS activated....or if no ATRAC in Crawl if MTS wasn't enabled. They also added a AUTO MTS feature to 2020 along with a Rock and Dirt mode. Some indication MTS is even more dynamic with 2020 implementation.

• You can enable MTS before going into Crawl but not the other way around.

The FSM...

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[Rednexus]

OK, but what about if the traction control is disabled?

At least on my 470, putting the rig in 4LO does not disable VSC. It only provides a 2.5:1 gear reduciton. Everything else works the same and no lights illuminate on the dash.

EDIT: Just saw Acrad's post. Looks like the 460 does disable TRAC (but not ATRAC) when 4LO is engaged with the CDL unlocked. For the use case I indicated, that's not really a big deal as I've never had VSC/ATRAC kick on when pulling or backing up a trailer short distances, even on steep gravel inclines. The AWD feature of the GX moves the trailer without any fuss.

 

[Cold Iron]

Interesting personal history you have. I was young but remember that situation vividly on the news with Iran..at home I think something about yellow ribbons being tied up too in support of hostages.

I had forgotten about that Rainier commercial

I do remember when St Helens blew… we could hear and feel the shockwave hit the side of the house roughly 121 miles to the north. I think the last I read on it was that the blast was equivalent to 24 Megatons.

Also remember when bridge sank because my father was heading out to fish on the coast and they had to drive around the following weekend.

The Navy made sure it was interesting LOL, see the World they said. Went around the World in 83 by then had been on a couple of Western Pacific and Southern Pacific Deployments. And lived up and down the West Coast. Then landed on the East Coast and same in the Atlantic, Mediterranean and other seas and Countries. I'm traveled out, Cold Iron is a Naval term meaning the ship is not underway and tied to the pier. Never ever dreamed that I would end up in the middle of the Country, I joke that the IT headhunter was good, really good....

I'm content with exploring the boreal forest of Ontario and Northern Mn. in the Fall looking for brown birds at this point. Still always wondering what is on the other side of the Mountain and explore each year, a lot of land to cover. And traveling to SxS shoots a couple times a year to compete fill any desires I have to travel.

Trips to other Countries other than the Sunset Country of Canada forget about it. And most of the US anymore. With the exception of Western Washington State. Once I retire for good I will take a couple of months to go back and see it again. I'm not in a hurry to retire my job doesn't suck at least right now. If it gets to the point that it does then it will be time to pack up and head West for awhile.

 

[Roody]

At least on my 470, putting the rig in 4LO does not disable VSC. It only provides a 2.5:1 gear reduciton. Everything else works the same and no lights illuminate on the dash.

EDIT: Just saw Acrad's post. Looks like the 460 does disable TRAC (but not ATRAC) when 4LO is engaged with the CDL unlocked. For the use case I indicated, that's not really a big deal as I've never had VSC/ATRAC kick on when pulling or backing up a trailer short distances, even on steep gravel inclines. The AWD feature of the GX moves the trailer without any fuss.

I manually disable traction control (long-pressing the button on the dash) before attacking bigger/harder obstacles. I know ATRAC is capable but I like being responsible for the work-- it's probably from decades of ATVing. Having the electronic nannies in the way between me and what the tires doing just feels like a barrier I don't want in the way, and whether disabling traction control or not actually works in my favor (I doubt it does) is ultimately just something I do to better my overall 4x4 experience.

 

[Rednexus]

I manually disable traction control (long-pressing the button on the dash) before attacking bigger/harder obstacles. I know ATRAC is capable but I like being responsible for the work-- it's probably from decades of ATVing. Having the electronic nannies in the way between me and what the tires doing just feels like a barrier I don't want in the way, and whether disabling traction control or not actually works in my favor (I doubt it does) is ultimately just something I do to better my overall 4x4 experience.

ATRAC is very capable. It will take you up obstacles that you have no chance of going up with open differentials. For most wheeling, IMO it's preferable to lockers, but it's still a reactive system so it will never be as good as lockers (which is why I also added those).

That being said, on the 470 you can't turn ATRAC off, and it can really get in the way in snow and mud. So I made a ATRAC/VSD disable button .

 

[Acrad]

I only played around with disabling traction control early on with my 460 in the snow/ice and could tell right away it felt like old school open diffs. ATRAC is highly regarded at this point and has been out over 25 years since the Late 90’s 100 series IIRC. MTS gets you the ability to tweak it.


I know some don’t like the on demand 4WD setup on Polaris quads/UTVs but I’ve always been fine with it on mine…even though I picked up a ‘22 Grizzly a few years back and it has a more manual setup which I have been ok with too.

 

[Banandalorian]

Turning all traction control off has a pretty dramatic impact on the 460's capabilities. With no TCS or ATRAC (or MTS or CC), it doesn't take much to just get 1 wheel on each axle spinning.

 

[Roody]

ATRAC is very capable. It will take you up obstacles that you have no chance of going up with open differentials. For most wheeling, IMO it's preferable to lockers, but it's still a reactive system so it will never be as good as lockers (which is why I also added those).

That being said, on the 470 you can't turn ATRAC off, and it can really get in the way in snow and mud. So I made a ATRAC/VSD disable button .
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I've spent more time than I can account for on machines with lockers and will always, always, always stand behind them. My GX remains open/open front-rear and eventually it'll be locked front/rear. For now I am more than content pulling cable when I hit those limits.

Turning all traction control off has a pretty dramatic impact on the 460's capabilities. With no TCS or ATRAC (or MTS or CC), it doesn't take much to just get 1 wheel on each axle spinning.

I'd rather not make it up an obstacle with everything off than do so with all of the helping hands

But maybe I'm a masochist

 

[Rednexus]

I've spent more time than I can account for on machines with lockers and will always, always, always stand behind them. My GX remains open/open front-rear and eventually it'll be locked front/rear. For now I am more than content pulling cable when I hit those limits.

I'd rather not make it up an obstacle with everything off than do so with all of the helping hands

But maybe I'm a masochist

I've never met anything my GX won't go up with ATRAC. But, it has struggled in diagonal spin situations, when 1 front wheel and 1 rear wheel are either off the ground or in poor traction. Lockers would be better there, but the rig would also fail to go up those without any use of ATRAC.

I bet ATRAC would reduce your winching 90%. Or even eliminate it. I after all, don't even had a winch! And have yet to turn on my lockers on (added them in June) other than to verify they work (they do).

It's been pretty fun driving into big mudholes and feeling ATRAC pull you right through it.

 

[Acrad]

My some year Eaton will go in… I was all set during early ‘21 IIRC..but had problems finding a shop and then other distraction occurred. I’ll revisit in a year or two.. as for now it sits on the shelf in the garage. I assume the price has gone up on these since then. Everything is wired including switch but just need e-locker installed in the rear.

Thread '@@@ - Harrop E-Locker on a 460 (LC Prado Kakadu trim) - https://cruiserbrothers.com/harrop-elockers/ -'

Mar 31, 2021

Harrop ELocker | Toyota 4x4 Differential Lockers | U.S. Dealer

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I’m going down the road of installing a rear Harrop in my 460. I ordered from Georg@CruiserBrothers last weekend. It should get here next week.

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A11114 Harrop Elocker

Rear locker for Toyota 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Lexus GX 460

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I do have some good leads already from GXOR-WA but the challenge is finding an installer as most either won’t install a Harrop on a 120/150 series or only do ARB. This is in Western Washington.

I am going to use a 100 series rear diff switch and I do not plan to...

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[Living in the Past]

The turning radius doesn't get mentioned enough. Especially on the trail with Tacomas it's a huge benefit.

Do not forget the 5th gen 4Runner. Bought a fifth Gen which couldn't turn a tight as our 2nd gen Sequoia. Hugh disappointment from our 4th gen 4Runner which we luckily kept. That was as close as 4Runner got to the GX470, full time 4WD V8. Expect a pickup not to turn like a GX but same time frame 4R think would. Dummied down for average age who would be driving them I guess.

Looking at the black box on the GX460 transfer case are those as prone to leaking the the GX470 and 4th gen 4R? Mine been leaking in our 04 4R for years. Over twenty years old and probably gets a 1K miles a year hard to justify spending over $2K on a leak.

Not that it really matters do the GX470 and GX460 share the same fuel tanks and skid plate? Part numbers aren't the same but they sure look alike. My 04 4R and 2021 GX fuel tanks look alike. Bought the full skid plate for the GX. It look just like the 4R's skid plate.

 

[Rednexus]

My some year Eaton will go in… I was all set during early ‘21 IIRC..but had problems finding a shop and then other distraction occurred. I’ll revisit in a year or two.. as for now it sits on the shelf in the garage. I assume the price has gone up on these since then. Everything is wired including switch but just need e-locker installed in the rear.

I got a complete assembled 8.2 3rd and front 8" reverse clamshell from ECGS. Front and rear 4.56 gears, Eaton/Harrop elockers, and solid pinion spacers. It wasn't cheap, but it made the install pretty darn easy.

At this point I have over 5,000 miles on the diffs. As far as I can tell, the 4.56 gears haven't affected my gas mileage. It's virtually the same, both towing and unloaded. Granted I'm not writing down my MPG for each tank to track pre- and post-regear averages, but I do usually run the combination meter in MPG mode, and if there is a difference, I sure haven't noticed it.

 

[GrizzlyClint]

Not that it really matters do the GX470 and GX460 share the same fuel tanks

They are in fact not the same.

 

[Living in the Past]

They are in fact not the same.

I know the 4th gen 4R and GX470 are the same part numbers for skid plate and tank. Same with the 5th Gen 4R and GX460. Fuel capacity of the four is same. Both sit in the same location with each using six bolts for the skid plate. I've seen Toyota change part numbers on same part. Either used in a different vehicle or something related to a part changes so the part got a new number as well. I was under the 4R making sure the transfer case oil was okay and noticed how close the fuel skid plates looked.

I am in AZ and rust is a non issue. I've debated mounting the full skid plate and spacing the half skid plate on the leading down just enough to fit. Zero value in half skid plate and leading edge is the area that most likely going to be hit. Plastic tank is relatively cheap but no fun being miles from pavement with hole in the fuel tank.