GX460 & GXOR B.S. thread (4 Viewers)

[Banandalorian]

I've been really happy with my Pirellis but am going to move up to a 33ish soon. I only see the Pirellis in a 285/70/17 with a D LT option so I have been looking at the Toyo AT3s as well. I figure choosing between the OEM all terrain from the new GX (Toyo) or the OEM all terrain for Rivian and the Porsche 911 Darkar is on-brand lol

 

[Roody]

Anecdotally in the last 3 years since I started ruining a perfectly good Lexus with my off road friends, the only people in our regular group who have cut sidewalls have both been on E rated Duratracs.
In my mind, the E rated tire will have the strongest sidewall compared to the same tire in other load categories. But if your choice is a lower weight AT/RT/MT tire that has off road cut/puncture resistance as a design feature vs a E rated tire that doesn't, you are better off with the lower weight tire.

Duratracs have notoriously weak sidewalls. FANTASTIC tires in the snow, but not the number one choice for rock crawling as a result.

 

[Roody]

Re: Tires

After reading everyone's comments it really feels like it's a situational decision based on the tire, its load rating, and if it's a 2 or 3-ply sidewall. That said, I might try a C or D next time if the ply and load make sense, and if the lower weight of the tire itself is worth the sacrifice in theoretical durability.

Guessing I'm not the only one who obsesses over tires.

 

[SteadfastRocky]

Re: Tires

After reading everyone's comments it really feels like it's a situational decision based on the tire, its load rating, and if it's a 2 or 3-ply sidewall. That said, I might try a C or D next time if the ply and load make sense, and if the lower weight of the tire itself is worth the sacrifice in theoretical durability.

Guessing I'm not the only one who obsesses over tires.

Tangential, how many of you all run dedicated snow tires? We have since I started driving. I am always a bit suprised how much bite I leave on the table when I go from my ats to snows, snow tires just handle so much better on ice/snow. (We live in a no salt state, meaning our roads often ice packed).

Currently running a set of LT Blizzacks on one truck W465s (do not recomend, the single noisiest tire I have ever used) and Toyo WLT1s on the other.

If you haven't tried it, and living in a snow packed area, between the increase life of my ATs, the better bite, and a quieter ride, I highly recommend it.

 

[re_guderian]

Tangential, how many of you all run dedicated snow tires? We have since I started driving. I am always a bit suprised how much bite I leave on the table when I go from my ats to snows, snow tires just handle so much better on ice/snow. (We live in a no salt state, meaning our roads often ice packed).

Currently running a set of LT Blizzacks on one truck W465s (do not recomend, the single noisiest tire I have ever used) and Toyo WLT1s on the other.

If you haven't tried it, and living in a snow packed area, between the increase life of my ATs, the better bite, and a quieter ride, I highly recommend it.

What is this "snow" you speak of?

 

[SteadfastRocky]

What is this "snow" you speak of?

I wish I had that problem most days, but it being 50 degrees when I woke up this morning reminds me why I still live here.

 

[Hiluxforever]

Tangential, how many of you all run dedicated snow tires? We have since I started driving. I am always a bit suprised how much bite I leave on the table when I go from my ats to snows, snow tires just handle so much better on ice/snow. (We live in a no salt state, meaning our roads often ice packed).

Currently running a set of LT Blizzacks on one truck W465s (do not recomend, the single noisiest tire I have ever used) and Toyo WLT1s on the other.

If you haven't tried it, and living in a snow packed area, between the increase life of my ATs, the better bite, and a quieter ride, I highly recommend it.

I am planning on it once we figure out for sure where we are moving. If it's colorado I will
Look at studded hakkipilettas for snow wheeling.

 

[Banandalorian]

All my snow tire experience is with an NB Miata. The Miata with no ABS on snow tires definitely beats the GX at braking and turning on sheet ice but I suspect the extra 3500 pounds of GX may always be an issue there. That being said, the GX with 3pmsf all terrains is generally an animal in winter weather almost to a fault. I've had to learn that just because the GX gets up whatever steep, icy, snowy, unplowed, untreated mountain lane to a cabin with no drama does not mean that everyone else will have the same experience.

 

[Hiluxforever]

All my snow tire experience is with an NB Miata. The Miata with no ABS on snow tires definitely beats the GX at braking and turning on sheet ice but I suspect the extra 3500 pounds of GX may always be an issue there. That being said, the GX with 3pmsf all terrains is generally an animal in winter weather almost to a fault. I've had to learn that just because the GX gets up whatever steep, icy, snowy, unplowed, untreated mountain lane to a cabin with no drama does not mean that everyone else will have the same experience.

I agree with that, I am just at a point where I would like to have maximum peace of mind and also be able to wheel in snow on dirt roads and trails.

 

[mudwagon]

I'll get some flak (and have gotten flak) before for this, but I run P-rated Wildpeaks on my rig. 265/70R17s are 46#s a tire, 285/70R17s are 51# a tire. I've had them on for 2.5 years and 35K miles including lots of wheeling in muddy, rocky, snowy, and sandy conditions. We have lots of very sharp chert (arrowhead material) and volcanic rocks here in the Ozarks, plus they've also been to the San Juans (more sharp volcanic rocks) and Moab (easy slickrock). I'll run them as low as 15 psi but typically 18 psi for mixed wheeling. With this setup the rig handles great, stops great, has plenty of acceleration, and gets reasonable fuel economy.

I have had exactly zero issues with them, outside of getting some sand in the bead when doing donuts on a gravel bar at 18 psi. Zero flats, zero sidewall punctures, zero other issues. They also get used extensively for towing. If I do have an issue, I have a 255/75R17 spare, Milwaukee impact, and lift/stabilization pad for the OEM jack and will change a tire on the trail. But I haven't had any issues.

If my rig was a single-purpose overlanding rig I'd have C-rated tires on it - but in my experience, lightweight P-rated tires do just fine. I'll be replacing them next year with a set of P-rated 285/70R17 tires to also keep weight down. I would probably never personally run E rated tires on anything other than a dedicated trail rig.

Second this. I have 255/70R18 P-rated Vredestein Pinza AT. I used to have 255/80R17 Wildpeak E's on my old rig and for offroad they are great, but man do they suck for 95% of the other time. You hop around on every bump, feel every crevice in the road. Highway driving was fine, but daily in the city was trash; it was like driving a lowered street car. Meanwhile a friend we always go offroading with would go through every single trail we did in E rated tires and he had P rated tires and never aired down. Made it through every single obstacle like we did. Took that lesson and got P-rated tires on this and haven't looked back. I would not get any tire above P unless I towed heavy more than 50% of the time or offroaded more than 50% of my miles. I would consider having two sets of tires though; one for DD and one for offroad trips. If you only have budget for 1 I would stick with P-rated, grab a matching spare and a tire puncture kit. That will about cover 95% of scenarios that would require multiple spares. Most of the punctures can be avoided with better judgement and tire placement, but nowadays every Karen and Ken that have never driven offroad think they need a Rubicon and 40's to travel a fire road.

 

[SteadfastRocky]

All my snow tire experience is with an NB Miata. The Miata with no ABS on snow tires definitely beats the GX at braking and turning on sheet ice but I suspect the extra 3500 pounds of GX may always be an issue there. That being said, the GX with 3pmsf all terrains is generally an animal in winter weather almost to a fault. I've had to learn that just because the GX gets up whatever steep, icy, snowy, unplowed, untreated mountain lane to a cabin with no drama does not mean that everyone else will have the same experience.

for me its never been about getting going but rather an issue of lateral grip and stopping. We run the 3pmsf ATs and the difference is noticeable.

 

[Rednexus]

Second this. I have 255/70R18 P-rated Vredestein Pinza AT. I used to have 255/80R17 Wildpeak E's on my old rig and for offroad they are great, but man do they suck for 95% of the other time. You hop around on every bump, feel every crevice in the road. Highway driving was fine, but daily in the city was trash; it was like driving a lowered street car. Meanwhile a friend we always go offroading with would go through every single trail we did in E rated tires and he had P rated tires and never aired down. Made it through every single obstacle like we did. Took that lesson and got P-rated tires on this and haven't looked back. I would not get any tire above P unless I towed heavy more than 50% of the time or offroaded more than 50% of my miles. I would consider having two sets of tires though; one for DD and one for offroad trips. If you only have budget for 1 I would stick with P-rated, grab a matching spare and a tire puncture kit. That will about cover 95% of scenarios that would require multiple spares. Most of the punctures can be avoided with better judgement and tire placement, but nowadays every Karen and Ken that have never driven offroad think they need a Rubicon and 40's to travel a fire road.

I would not be opposed to a set of C-rated MT or hybrid tires for off-road specific stuff, but currently don't have the space for them and the Wildpeaks are good enough at 15-18 psi that it's an non-issue. FYI, my towing experince with the P-rated Wildpeaks has also been great. I don't tow a whole lot of weight (4,000# trailer plus a family of four), but find the GX handles it good when the Wildpeaks are at 42 psi. They are a bit bouncy at pressures above that.

I previously off-roaded in a Subaru Forester and had multiple sidewall punctures on Yokohama Geolandar AT/S tires (the only AT available in tiny 205/70R15). I do think the Wildpeak is a very good tire with a well-designed sidewall, despite the ply rating.

 

[BigSwede]

I don't run dedicated snow tires, but I only live in Minnesota.

 

[SteadfastRocky]

I don't run dedicated snow tires, but I only live in Minnesota.

Ill bet you'd trade all that salt for some snow tires lol

 

[jdam]

I don't, seeing that Reno's snow conditions are random at best, but I seriously thought about it after this winter.

 

[Hiluxforever]

Ill bet you'd trade all that salt for some snow tires lol

That's how I feel about Iowa, I will trade the bitter cold, Ice and hard pack for nice powder and no vehicle eater sprayed on the ground.

 

[jonshonda]

I don't run dedicated snow tires, but I only live in Minnesota.

I haven't run our 2017 in snow yet cuz we got it this spring, but our 2007 GX was very competent in the snow with 265/17 K02's. But there is no substitute for dedicated snow tires, which is why we run them on all our now 4wd/awd vehicles. The money spend on tires is one of the best insurance policies a fella can buy.

 

[BigSwede]

I haven't run our 2017 in snow yet cuz we got it this spring, but our 2007 GX was very competent in the snow with 265/17 K02's. But there is no substitute for dedicated snow tires, which is why we run them on all our now 4wd/awd vehicles. The money spend on tires is one of the best insurance policies a fella can buy.

Dedicated snow tires are better on ice or hard packed snow more so than deeper snow, really. For deep snow something with more aggressive tread blocks can be better.

 

[BigSwede]

Ill bet you'd trade all that salt for some snow tires lol

Kinda hate road salt, but I also recognize a lot of people would have to upgrade their vehicles (and driving skill) without it.

 

[re_guderian]

My Falken Wildpeaks in 275/70/17 are C-rated.