Hiluxforever
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Drivers on northern I25 in colorado are notoriously s***. Pull right out into the passing lane doing 45. It sketchy AF.
GX460 & GXOR B.S. thread (28 Viewers)
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Really sketchy fr
$90/hour is cheap compared to the Twin Cities, most rates are $125-150/hr here.
Same here. I live at the top of a steep hill (maxes out at around a 30% grade) that is about 200 ft high. On my road bike, I can hit over 48 mph on the way down! I usually put my GX in 2nd gear going down and will put it in 1st gear going down when I'm towing something. My main use of brakes is for coming to a complete stop and I use them relatively infrequently to control speed.
Those are bonkers rates. My company bills some of our entry-level engineers out at similar hourly rates to that....they are young but many have graduate degrees. Not sure how much of that the actual mechanic is getting, but if it is 1/4 or 1/3 of it, they are doing pretty well without a college degree!
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Load Rating... what's everyone thinking for the 460s in terms of C, D, E? I ran E-rated Toyos as my first aftermarket set on the GX, and am now running D-rated KO2s. 285/75/17 Toyo Open Country A/T IIIs which are the perfect size and weight (33.9x11.3 and only 59#) are C-rated. Is that too light of a load rating for wheeling on the rocks? I'm sure it would improve day-to-day ride comfort but all of the off-roading here involves rock crawling...
Hiluxforever
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I have run D and E rated. The tire itself makes more difference. My Revos are E load range are just a bit stiffer than a P rate. The nokians are moderately stiffer but still comfy. My Goodyear MTRs were D rate, but stiffer than both of my E rated tires.
Not to muddy the waters.
Not to muddy the waters.
If you must have the LT rating and don't tow, D is more than enough IMO. I've only run SL tires on the GX without issues (265/70/17 Pirelli Scorpion AT+ and currently 285/70/17 Baja Boss).
Just going off the max load rating, the 265/70 Pirellis were the same as a C and the 285/70 Mickey Thompsons are a D. The Mickey Thompsons feel better aired down off road but no idea if that's a load rating thing or a tire model thing.
I play in the VA rocks aired down with no issues over the last 4+ years of being dumb off road. I get the sense that you used to have to get E load tires for offroading because that was the only way to get strong sidewalls, but that's not necessarily true anymore.
I prefer lighter weight C rating tires, but am running Es because that was all that was available in the size I wanted (with appropriate tread). I have holed both C and E tires, doesn't seem to make a difference despite what people claim about sidewall plies and such.
Careful with that Flatlander comment LOL. I used to call city boys Flatlanders and some say that I could make a person recoil with the way I said it. My punishment for using Flatlander is that I now live in Mn.
In return they would call us woodchucks. Now that I've lost 2 molars have considered implants. Nah, nothing wrong with looking like a ridge running woodchuck
Your sense is correct. At one time a 10 ply sidewall E was a 10 ply. Things have changed over the years and C and D even SL sidewalls can be pretty strong. Exhibit A- Falken Wildpeak AT4W has a much stronger sidewall than the AT3W did even with both SL rated tires.
This comes up often on hunting forums especially bird hunting where most of us are older and been around the block a few times. onX Hunt outsells onX off road 6 to 1 IIRC to give you an idea of who spends time off road. Some still insist that you need E rated tires for off road use but most will not run them unless on a heavy duty vehicle. Personally I am done with E rated tires and don't feel the need especially on the GX.
Hiluxforever
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Yea, the only E load range tires I would recommend are more of a hybrid XL sidewall and LT sidewall. Like my Revos and Hakkapeliittas.
My next tires will most likely be E range just due to size.
I am playing with the big boy Jeeps now, and need appropriate footwear. I have the nod to be allowed on advanced trail runs when I get 35s(255/85R17)
I miss my pizza cutter MTRs and going through mud holes with impunity.
My next tires will most likely be E range just due to size.
I am playing with the big boy Jeeps now, and need appropriate footwear. I have the nod to be allowed on advanced trail runs when I get 35s(255/85R17)
I miss my pizza cutter MTRs and going through mud holes with impunity.
r2m
Richard
Aside from load rating, one has to consider what kind of off roading they'll be doing. Where we live, I have concerns about side wall puncture from sharp rocks and cholla cactus which all over in some of our deserts and known for puncturing sidewalls.
A heavier rating usually provides a thicker sidewall, hence puncture protection.
But I do like a lighter side wall for the flex when airing down. It will "squish" more.
So far, I've been getting away with running SL tires for my needs. Much lighter and also more 'squishy'. Heading out west over the summer so will see if they will hold up out there.
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Use case is daily driver and occasional off-roading which consists of a lot of rock crawling, frequently on wet rocks. I like the compliance of the D-rated KO2s on the road (vs E-rated I've run prior) and haven't found them to be weaker as far as sidewalls go on the trail-- maybe a little more deflection, but not much.
So many variables to consider...
Hiluxforever
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What size are you looking for?
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All of these are being considered:
| Open Country A/T III | Wt | Actual size |
| 285/75/17 (C) | 59 | 33.9x11.3 |
| 35x11.5R17 (C) | 63 | 34.5x11.4 |
| 255/80/17 (E) | 51 | 33.1x10.0 |
| 34x10.5R17 (D) | 55 | 33.5x10.6 |
| Open Country R/T Pro | ||
| 35x11.5R17 (E) | 66 | 34.8x11.4 |
| 285/70/17 (E) | 60 | 32.8x11.4 |
| Open Country R/T Trail | ||
| 285/75/17 (E) | 63 | 33.9x11.3 |
| 255/80/17 (E) | 52 | 33.1x10.0 |
Wheel is 17x8, 0 offset, weighs 25.31 lbs. 34x10.5R17 KO2 is 54 lbs. My total per corner is currently 79.31 lb, which isn't bad.
r2m
Richard
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Haha... maybe next time. The 285/75/17 is only 63.6 lbs which is pretty good, and 285/70/17 is only 56 lbs and is C load rated but I like bouncing between tire brands to get a real sense of competitive advantage and which brand is doing what well. Makes for a more even playing field when evaluating things.WHAT!! No BFG KO3's on the list!!!!
I'm hurt! Struck to the core!
