GX 550 vs Lx 600

[Lou Gill]

I am negotiating on a 2020 fully loaded including sport appearance package with 48:000 starting at $65,000 Lexus certified…..I want 3 rows for the grandkids. But thanks for the listings, I really want to stay u def 50k miles. By the way, that sport appearance package really updates the truck.

 

[Jetboy]

I am negotiating on a 2020 fully loaded including sport appearance package with 48:000 starting at $65,000 Lexus certified…..I want 3 rows for the grandkids. But thanks for the listings, I really want to stay u def 50k miles. By the way, that sport appearance package really updates the truck.

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If you adjust for the miles and options - I think you're probably right in that same pricing ballpark. What's always unclear from the listings is the true condition and that's something you can only really see in person.

 

[Lou Gill]

If you adjust for the miles and options - I think you're probably right in that same pricing ballpark. What's always unclear from the listings is the true condition and that's something you can only really see in person.

They sent me a video, it’s a one owner with complete service history at the same Lexus dealer. It’s 6 hours from me, but going next week. Wish me luck

 

[tacoshawn]

To give more to compare here is today's announcement. Bring $$$$

TAKING THE PINNACLE OF LEXUS LUXURY TO THE MOUNTAIN PEAKS: THE 2025 LEXUS LX 700h - Lexus USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (Oct. 10, 2024) – Since its launch in 1995, the LX has served as a beacon of capability and style across the globe, providing comfortable ride quality, luxurious amenities, and uncompromising off-road performance. For 2025, the Luxury SUV further enhances its strong foundation with...

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[Lou Gill]

To give more to compare here is today's announcement. Bring $$$$

TAKING THE PINNACLE OF LEXUS LUXURY TO THE MOUNTAIN PEAKS: THE 2025 LEXUS LX 700h - Lexus USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (Oct. 10, 2024) – Since its launch in 1995, the LX has served as a beacon of capability and style across the globe, providing comfortable ride quality, luxurious amenities, and uncompromising off-road performance. For 2025, the Luxury SUV further enhances its strong foundation with...

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Same frame as the GX 550?

 

[2021 LC200]

Not saying this LX700h is something I would consider any time soon, however the frame is not the same. Perhaps the same family as the Tundra/Sequoia/250 etc yet tailored for the requirements and durability of the LX and so will be the parts throughout the LX. With Toyota being a serious company you pay more and you get more. Whether there is value for money, that depends.

 

[Leelanau]

These are the parts and fasteners you'll need. I would call it fastener removal. I personally would re-install the fasteners with some thread sealer as well so they fill back in the empty holes. Maybe 30 minutes of work?
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To fit 37s it's my understanding that you'll need to remove the frame support braces on the front body mounts and the front bumper inner fender liner trim pieces and depending on tire and wheel offset some plastic trimming. That's what it takes on the 2024 Tacoma. I think the LC250 is similar. I don't think you would need anything else to run the Rubicon. I did it twice in my 5th gen 4Runner with around 2" lift and 34" tires with rear bumper protection, but stock front bumper. Stock front bumper on the 5th gen 4R was not an issue at all. Plenty of clearance, no "viper cut" or anything like that - full bumper skin. I don't really understand the viper cut to be honest. It doesn't do anything meaningful for bumper clearance I can tell, but it exposes a bunch of stuff inside to rock strikes. In my estimate that's a mod that actively makes it worse - a lot like bolting on 1,000lbs of unnecessary farkle. The LC250 bumpers are relatively high and tight. I think it's about a dozen total fasteners you'll need to remove. That plus the tires and maybe wheels if they won't mount the 37's on an 8" wheel (not sure what width the OEM wheels are). I think you'd probably cruise through on something like a 285/75/18 as well and that would probably only require the bracket removal and none of the fender trim parts or aftermarket wheels. Edit: There are some 37x11.5 tires available that would probably not require plastic trimming and would fit on OEM wheels.

What you do need is skid plates and rock rails - ideally with bump outs. LC250 comes with adequate rock rails although no bump outs. The first corner of cadillac hill on the upward direction will be the challenging spot without em, but it's doable. I've done it. I did it once with bump outs and once without. I also did it once with stock OEM steel skid plates and once with aftermarket. The only place that the OEM skid plates on the 4Runner were inadequate for that trail on a single trip basis was the gas tank skid. I would buy or make some for an LC250, but the OEM ones would do for a trip or two. I've actually been wanting to try FRP composite and steel combo skids so that's what I'd do - OEM skids with about 1/8" thick high e-glass layup on the inside for extra stiffness, lighter weight, OEM fit, steel surface for superior puncture and low friction. But I'd tell my friends to go buy some aftermarket skids.

As a comparison an LC100 on 35s with ARB bumpers took a pretty heavy beating including damaging both front fenders and I think both rear quarter panels from pushing the ARB bumpers back into the body work. In general the steel bumpers like an ARB make it worse, not better in that type of terrain because they stick out quite a bit further than stock. The high clearance steel bumpers probably have some additional benefit, but I didn't have any issues with the OEM front. Rear bumper really does - needs some sort of skid on 34" tires. On 37s though - I just don't think a rear bumper is necessary. I don't think you'd have any contact anywhere on that particular trail if you're a good driver. If you added some lift or even air helper springs for $150 - then you could just jack that rear end up in the few places you need to clear the rocks without too much fuss.

LX with AHC can lift up a good bit too. If you had AHC on a LC250 it would be fantastic. But the LX is just starting with some really low hanging plastics and maxes out with 34" tires unless you want to start cutting and re-shaping firewall and other stuff to fit comparable tires. The difference between 34 and 37" tires makes a lot of difference on what you'll need everywhere else. On the GX - that front bumper is a big liability. 37's plus lift might be enough height to cruise through that type of trail without an aftermarket front bumper, but I don't know. It's a pretty long snout hanging out there.

Thanks for the detailed response! That makes way more sense now.

I figured it would take some extensive mods on a 250 to fit 37’s and be ready for the Rubicon; more like the Dissent build. It’s cool to hear you have been through that trail a couple times. After I saw pics on this forum of someone in a heavily modded 200 on the Rubicon, I knew it was a trail I would never do in my 200.

It’s too pretty and too stock!

 

[Leelanau]

I’m curious what @Docyota thinks about the LX700h with the Overtrail package. I don’t love nanny tech and connected features in general, but maybe there’s a compelling case for a camping setup with the improvements in offroad ability and power supply?

 

[Rednexus]

To give more to compare here is today's announcement. Bring $$$$

TAKING THE PINNACLE OF LEXUS LUXURY TO THE MOUNTAIN PEAKS: THE 2025 LEXUS LX 700h - Lexus USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (Oct. 10, 2024) – Since its launch in 1995, the LX has served as a beacon of capability and style across the globe, providing comfortable ride quality, luxurious amenities, and uncompromising off-road performance. For 2025, the Luxury SUV further enhances its strong foundation with...

pressroom.lexus.com

Perhaps a used one of those in 5+ years could replace my 470 . Now, with an overtrail version, folks can't say we don't get the 300!

 

[M1911]

Same frame as the GX 550?

Same frame as the LX 600. It is simply an LX600 with a mild hybrid powertrain.

 

[MRego]

Now, with an overtrail version, folks can't say we don't get the 300!

Uhhh...easy there...let's not get ahead of ourselves. Especially at $120k-$130k range.

 

[Rednexus]

Uhhh...easy there...let's not get ahead of ourselves. Especially at $120k-$130k range.

I'd never buy one new, even if I had the cash sitting around. These could become very attractive as they come on the used market as well-maintained, gently used vehicles that have taken a 50%+ hit in value. Just like the LX570, LX470, GX470, and GX460 have for the past 20 years.

 

[rexington14]

Same frame as the LX 600. It is simply an LX600 with a mild hybrid powertrain.

It looks like 2 new frame crossmembers were added. One to support the hybrid motor and one in the rear to support the battery.

 

[rexington14]

Uhhh...easy there...let's not get ahead of ourselves. Especially at $120k-$130k range.

Which is not too far off the inflation adjusted numbers of the preceding generation

 

[Docyota]

I’m curious what @Docyota thinks about the LX700h with the Overtrail package. I don’t love nanny tech and connected features in general, but maybe there’s a compelling case for a camping setup with the improvements in offroad ability and power supply?

I think it's a great package. The AHC is pretty awesome. Dissent's builds with AHC trucks appear to be solid for overlanding setups.

That being said, I'm realizing I have a rare unicorn of a vehicle with a base model LX600 and no AHC, just a simple rear solid axle/coil spring and front IFS with coilovers. I like the easy serviceability and longevity of that setup, and it's also super easy to modify. Mine is a true LC300 in the Lexus tuxedo.

I'd really like the front and rear lockers, and if money weren't an issue I'd be first in line for the LC700h overtrail, but I can't justify spending an extra $50,000.

Maybe I'll convince the wife to let me get her one of these, and then we can go on expeditions in the dual LX's.

 

[Specialeyes]

I think it's a great package. The AHC is pretty awesome. Dissent's builds with AHC trucks appear to be solid for overlanding setups.

That being said, I'm realizing I have a rare unicorn of a vehicle with a base model LX600 and no AHC, just a simple rear solid axle/coil spring and front IFS with coilovers. I like the easy serviceability and longevity of that setup, and it's also super easy to modify. Mine is a true LC300 in the Lexus tuxedo.

I'd really like the front and rear lockers, and if money weren't an issue I'd be first in line for the LC700h overtrail, but I can't justify spending an extra $50,000.

Maybe I'll convince the wife to let me get her one of these, and then we can go on expeditions in the dual LX's.

On occasion I have searched for a "poverty" spec LX and they are damn near impossible to find.

 

[rexington14]

That being said, I'm realizing I have a rare unicorn of a vehicle with a base model LX600 and no AHC, just a simple rear solid axle/coil spring and front IFS with coilovers. I like the easy serviceability and longevity of that setup, and it's also super easy to modify. Mine is a true LC300 in the Lexus tuxedo.

And assuming yours is covered under the recall, you also have the option of a brand new engine replacement free of charge at some point as well. If it was me I'd be piling the miles on it until the recall fix period is about to expire at which point I'd gladly take it to the dealership to get a brand new engine put in.

Not a bad place to be for ownership over the long haul.

 

[MRego]

And assuming yours is covered under the recall, you also have the option of a brand new engine replacement free of charge at some point as well. If it was me I'd be piling the miles on it until the recall fix period is about to expire at which point I'd gladly take it to the dealership to get a brand new engine put in.

Not a bad place to be for ownership over the long haul.

A bit naive, no? Are you really confident the monkey wrenchers in the Lexus dealer are going to do a similar job to the folks in the Tahara plant when swapping your engine? IMO, the values on those 22s with engine replaced are going to tank it faster than european brand new cars 3 years later.

 

[rexington14]

A bit naive, no? Are you really confident the monkey wrenchers in the Lexus dealer are going to do a similar job to the folks in the Tahara plant when swapping your engine? IMO, the values on those 22s with engine replaced are going to tank it faster than european brand new cars 3 years later.

Do I believe a Lexus tech can competently swap a long block? Yes I do. Especially towards the end of the fix period after they've done it many times.

Let me know where to find a 22 with a tanked valuation. I'd be interested.

 

[Phillyd2]

A bit naive, no? Are you really confident the monkey wrenchers in the Lexus dealer are going to do a similar job to the folks in the Tahara plant when swapping your engine? IMO, the values on those 22s with engine replaced are going to tank it faster than european brand new cars 3 years later.

No. They went this route to make it even a monkey could do it simple.