Gossamer- '87 FJ60 aka "The Red Monster" (1 Viewer)

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What a thrill to read up here! Like reading a good book, I'm imaging every detail in my head, glad you have a private swat team on strandby! ;-)
Hope you decide to keep on keeping on, your work is inspiring, and seeing how you manage to get 48 productive hours a day with the shop, goss and wife, is a testament that there still is hope for our species!

Good luck, J!

Btw, check pm.
 
Niffa, @TallCanDan is the MAN!.. He was one the first new members that I ever "befriended" and we look out for each other... Now I just need to get him to come to my house and do some staircase work!

HA!

J


DON'T TEMPT ME JASON!!:worms: Lol man o man if we only lived closer... Well you are only 700 miles away... :hmm: I'd be your intern in a heartbeat, working for free! I can only sit here and imagine the knowledge I would receive. Did you notice the can of worms up above? Yes, you were the first to reach out to my noob self when I joined this great forum. It meant a lot! robustbambi did too, and Kline, and I'll make it to their neck of the woods sometime in the future as well, you mark my words!
 
glad to hear brotha!
 
Good news J.

I knew the situation would be resolved in a timely manner. #MUDbrothas

"FELIZ NAVIDAD" :lol:
 
Sorry to hear it but I understand. The parts market for cruisers is getting so soft it's nearly impossible to do it anymore.
There's still a lot of business on the mechanic end but since I've been doing parts since the late 80's I've seen the market go from
robust to just bust. A month ago we were contemplating the same, as I do the end of every year since the bank crash. Again,I've decided to
test it through the holidays and see what happens in the early months. I have no kids otherwise I would have closed in 2008. The US market
is difficult because consumers have become used to Walmart prices and Amazon delivery schedules. Small shops like yours usually run into
problems trying sell at a price "the market will bear" rather than what it really costs to build it. People see an ARB bumper for 850.00 and associate that value with fair market. The fact that the bumper is made in the orient with steel prices half what they are here and labor costs less than one tenth of what they are here makes no difference. Factor in general overhead in the US verses Thailand and the cost gap widens. I went on an ARB
sponsored run with the second in command at the time. He told me that the cost of production, start to boxed, was less than 90.00
for the ARB front made in their plant in the orient. The costs of shipping , marketing , local support and distribution here added times that to the price. ARB understands the key to offering a products is to offer a limited choice and build in numbers. If you only did group buys of ten your margins would double. There's where the problem lies. It's hard to find ten sales of a premium product.
 
J Such good news! I'm thinking to myself maybe just buy this repo bumper and ship straight to me...I could wait until after the holidays.

Either way. You need to finish Goss you owe it to yourself.

Hope you have a great Christmas!
 


Sorry to hear it but I understand. The parts market for cruisers is getting so soft it's nearly impossible to do it anymore.
There's still a lot of business on the mechanic end but since I've been doing parts since the late 80's I've seen the market go from
robust to just bust. A month ago we were contemplating the same, as I do the end of every year since the bank crash. Again,I've decided to
test it through the holidays and see what happens in the early months. I have no kids otherwise I would have closed in 2008. The US market
is difficult because consumers have become used to Walmart prices and Amazon delivery schedules. Small shops like yours usually run into
problems trying sell at a price "the market will bear" rather than what it really costs to build it. People see an ARB bumper for 850.00 and associate that value with fair market. The fact that the bumper is made in the orient with steel prices half what they are here and labor costs less than one tenth of what they are here makes no difference. Factor in general overhead in the US verses Thailand and the cost gap widens. I went on an ARB
sponsored run with the second in command at the time. He told me that the cost of production, start to boxed, was less than 90.00
for the ARB front made in their plant in the orient. The costs of shipping , marketing , local support and distribution here added times that to the price. ARB understands the key to offering a products is to offer a limited choice and build in numbers. If you only did group buys of ten your margins would double. There's where the problem lies. It's hard to find ten sales of a premium product.

Thanks for sharing this information @Output Shaft and @lcwizard , it seems to go the heart of the dilemma for a manufacturing start-up in the US...all things being equal (from a product quality/performance), cost wins...

But...if ARB is using robots to manufacture their bumpers, then it makes me wonder if the production cost reduction isn't mostly due to the 'automation' of labor (replacing the welder with a robot) rather than the reduction in the cost of labor (replacing a higher paid American welder with a lower paid Thai welder).

So if this is true (that the reduction in production costs is due to 'automation') then in order to be competitive in the US market, a US manufacturer must either automate or differentiate.

If he automates, then the value he adds is no longer as a welder, but rather as a designer.

If he differentiates, then the value he adds is in offering a functionality in the product that overseas manufacturers are not offering (they are playing the economy of scale game, as noted in the example of doing 'group' buys).

Differentiating could mean developing and owning Intellectual Property that adds some benefit (meets a yet unmet need) for the American armor consumer.
A business strategy for building a business off of this would be either to license that IP back to a manufacturer like ARB or retrofitting/recylcing existing, used bumpers (for example) to incorporate that IP protected functionality into a new, re-manufactured product...something an overseas manufacturer can't easily do because they are far away.

Or differentiating could also mean selling a hand-crafted (artisian), one off, customer specified product. Also a business strategy that is out of reach to the overseas manufacturer, because they are playing the cost reduction, economies of scale game. But this artisian strategy means that customers are willing to pay a premium for more control in the design of their product...because, as mentioned above, an artisian style manufacturer can't compete on cost with a competitor building economy of scale.

Just some thoughts off the top of my head...
 
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Sorry to hear it but I understand. The parts market for cruisers is getting so soft it's nearly impossible to do it anymore.
There's still a lot of business on the mechanic end but since I've been doing parts since the late 80's I've seen the market go from
robust to just bust. A month ago we were contemplating the same, as I do the end of every year since the bank crash. Again,I've decided to
test it through the holidays and see what happens in the early months. I have no kids otherwise I would have closed in 2008. The US market
is difficult because consumers have become used to Walmart prices and Amazon delivery schedules. Small shops like yours usually run into
problems trying sell at a price "the market will bear" rather than what it really costs to build it. People see an ARB bumper for 850.00 and associate that value with fair market. The fact that the bumper is made in the orient with steel prices half what they are here and labor costs less than one tenth of what they are here makes no difference. Factor in general overhead in the US verses Thailand and the cost gap widens. I went on an ARB
sponsored run with the second in command at the time. He told me that the cost of production, start to boxed, was less than 90.00
for the ARB front made in their plant in the orient. The costs of shipping , marketing , local support and distribution here added times that to the price. ARB understands the key to offering a products is to offer a limited choice and build in numbers. If you only did group buys of ten your margins would double. There's where the problem lies. It's hard to find ten sales of a premium product.


Dave you hit it on the head... Your 4+ and my T-T bumpers can hit a bowling ball sized rock and keep going... ARB= BLACK TINFOIL IMO.. You get what you pay for!

Its just a couple of old boys burning wire in a shop.. We aren't the fastest, but our stuff sure is strong and AMERICAN MADE!

I will announce my plans this weekend for 2015, need another round of therapy with the WIFE!

Good luck to you and have a Merry Christmas,

Jason
 
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J Such good news! I'm thinking to myself maybe just buy this repo bumper and ship straight to me...I could wait until after the holidays.

Either way. You need to finish Goss you owe it to yourself.

Hope you have a great Christmas!


J, it was an 80 front bumper and it will not be for sale...

J
 
Last new style 60 rear in epoxy this morning..

J

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Sorry to hear it but I understand. The parts market for cruisers is getting so soft it's nearly impossible to do it anymore.
There's still a lot of business on the mechanic end but since I've been doing parts since the late 80's I've seen the market go from
robust to just bust. A month ago we were contemplating the same, as I do the end of every year since the bank crash. Again,I've decided to
test it through the holidays and see what happens in the early months. I have no kids otherwise I would have closed in 2008. The US market
is difficult because consumers have become used to Walmart prices and Amazon delivery schedules. Small shops like yours usually run into
problems trying sell at a price "the market will bear" rather than what it really costs to build it. People see an ARB bumper for 850.00 and associate that value with fair market. The fact that the bumper is made in the orient with steel prices half what they are here and labor costs less than one tenth of what they are here makes no difference. Factor in general overhead in the US verses Thailand and the cost gap widens. I went on an ARB
sponsored run with the second in command at the time. He told me that the cost of production, start to boxed, was less than 90.00
for the ARB front made in their plant in the orient. The costs of shipping , marketing , local support and distribution here added times that to the price. ARB understands the key to offering a products is to offer a limited choice and build in numbers. If you only did group buys of ten your margins would double. There's where the problem lies. It's hard to find ten sales of a premium product.

Dave you hit it on the head... Your 4+ and my T-T bumpers can hit a bowling ball sized rock and keep going... ARB= BLACK TINFOIL IMO.. You get what you pay for!

Its just a couple of old boys burning wire in a shop.. We aren't the fastest, but our stuff sure is strong and AMERICAN MADE!

I will announce my plans this weekend for 2015, need another round of therapy with the WIFE!

Good luck to you and have a Merry Christmas,

Jason

Its guys like you two that really are an asset to this community. Having the skills and knowledge and to be able to inspire others to learn, and to have the drive to set up shop and provide real quality american made products. I've contemplated arb products, I like the bumpers look. But I like quality products better. Not enough people get the value of what you do. You get what you pay for for sure. Now that I've spent this first year with my rig, catching it up on neglected maintenance, im moving this year into the more "luxurious" expenditures. I can tell you TT and 4plus, I've been heavily considering your products. Here's hoping mine and others, options for being able to acquire such quality products don't decrease soon nor in the future. This community needs you, and more like you. Please do update us! I'll be watching closely, prospective customer here.
 
Its guys like you two that really are an asset to this community. Having the skills and knowledge and to be able to inspire others to learn, and to have the drive to set up shop and provide real quality american made products. I've contemplated arb products, I like the bumpers look. But I like quality products better. Not enough people get the value of what you do. You get what you pay for for sure. Now that I've spent this first year with my rig, catching it up on neglected maintenance, im moving this year into the more "luxurious" expenditures. I can tell you TT and 4plus, I've been heavily considering your products. Here's hoping mine and others, options for being able to acquire such quality products don't decrease soon nor in the future. This community needs you, and more like you. Please do update us! I'll be watching closely, prospective customer here.

Thanks D.

I really enjoy the builds and interacting with the customers on a daily basis. Just need to weigh the options to continue.

J
 
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