Fuel Delivery Adjustments -12HT

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I'm currently looking at this one

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111059633307?

:cheers: Spudman

Thanks Spud. I'm still trying to puzzle this out, and I don't have my truck here for reference. Does the stock turbo need the "T" piece that comes with that kit, or did you upgrade? Or are you using it to feed your boost gauge? I'm comparing the ebay diagram with this install: http://www.peoplehelp.com.au/landcruiser/12h-t_power_boost.html

I haz a confuse, and this diagram didn't make it that much clearer: https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=9076185&postcount=30
 
Thank you both for the links above.

I wanted to update the above descriptions. I took the FJ/HJ out today and we have 40 deg Fahrenheit here. It took a bit to turn over, but when it did loads of grey/white smoke left the exhaust. And then ran rich.

I noticed, every time I tapped the accelerator, the smoke was black w/a kiss of white smoke trailing.

Highway is still the same, if i need to hit the gas to get going, it's dumping out black (unburnt fuel) out of the back. I haven't adjusted anything, although I might give it a try today, what I'm most curious about, is this touch of white or maybe light gray smoke trailing out after the pitch black unburnt fuel. To help describe it, 90 to 95 percent black with difference being the white trailer. Looking forward to hearing what you guys think. Thanks!
 
Look on the ip at the on boost fuel screw, there should be a tamper tag on it. Its a piece of wire running thru the outer 10mm dust cap to stop it coming off or being fiddled with. If this is not there anymore theres a good chance that the fuel has been wound up waaay too much in the past by the previous owner. The white smoke could be from dirty injectors or maybe ip timing could be out. Im not positive on the last statement-heard it somewhere before.
 
Thanks Niffa. I had a chance with very good results. I turned it a solid 1/4 in and it really reduced the poison I've been throwing into the environment by half! I can't really see the white at this point in time with car warmed up as it is when tapping the gas.

It still throws out a burst of black smoke at idle when tapping the gas and highway speeds it has improved as well. It still slight on acceleration.

What boost range is appropriate for these vehicles? Without shortening the life of the mechanics.

Somewhere I read it's their nature to put out a little, but I can't remember the details to that thread.

The tamper tag was definitely gone.
 
Always going to get a bit of smoke on acceleration. I think its less than the new common rail diesels are putting out right now. Im running 14psi into mine. Goes really well and egt are very acceptable. Boost wont kill a motor. Heat will. If urs has been pumping out as much smoke as ur saying ur exhaust temps woulda been pretty high so turning either fuel down or boost up will be making a vast improvement on ur engines life and longevity
 
If you're getting white smoke on start up, have you checked you air filter?

Like everyone says, the 12HT always puffs smoke on start up. It's how they get the direct injection motor to start so fast, by dumping a heap of fuel in there and away it goes.

If you are still getting black smoke when you stab the pedal from idle, or take off from the lights, then your OFF boost fuel setting is too high.

This is a similar setup to the main fuel screw you have already been playing with.

It is on the back of the aneroid where the pressure line comes into the governor setup at the back of the pump. I think it is a 10mm, same as the front, but uses a flat blade screwdriver to adjust the fuel screw. OUT is LESS fuel = less black smoke. If your pickup from idle to when the turbo picks up is sluggish, then screw this IN a little bit at a time.

This is a much finer adjustment than the front screw where you can go quarter turn each time. The back screw makes a difference at one eighth turn and then test. You're adjusting screws that control a rack, or a rod. Move it left for less fuel, move it right for more fuel. Simple.

Black smoke is not just unsocialable, like others have said, it is highly likely to have been creating FAR too much EGT. Fit an EGT gauge to do these adjustments properly, or find an air fuel ratio probe to stick up the exhaust pipe and get the settings right.

You can increase the air supply, i.e. boost pressure, to burn up excess black smoke. A standard CT 26 can run safely at 15-18psi. Too much boost will cause the compressor wheel to break. This is bad, very bad..... Before it breaks, it will also lose efficiency as the blades cannot maintain grip on the air and it just creates more heat. Many people run them happily at just shy of 15psi, which coincidentally is the pressure the orange light turns on on the dash - those green and orange lights. The green one comes on at 2psi, the orange is an over boost light and comes on at 15psi. To avoid panic, setting your boost pressure to just less than 15psi seems a sensible balance.

A GTurbo will allow you to remove the main fuel screw completely as they are designed to maintain efficient operation at 22 -25 psi without engine harm. The capacity of the injection pump to deliver more fuel is what will limit your power output at this stage, not the turbo. Niffa sent you a link to my website. People seem to find it helpful.

But you're not (yet) chasing performance improvements are you. Your smile will come from no black smoke at the moment. My smile comes from no black smoke either, but I'm just 400 yards/metres ahead of you with four wheel rooster tails in the sand :-)

Injector problems will result in hard starting, smoking at idle and less power. If you know the PO fiddled with the fuel screw, then the simplest and obvious thing, without overcomplicating matters, is to adjust it back again.
 
Thanks Spud. I'm still trying to puzzle this out, and I don't have my truck here for reference. Does the stock turbo need the "T" piece that comes with that kit, or did you upgrade? Or are you using it to feed your boost gauge? I'm comparing the ebay diagram with this install: http://www.peoplehelp.com.au/landcruiser/12h-t_power_boost.html

I haz a confuse, and this diagram didn't make it that much clearer: https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=9076185&postcount=30

Hey Creeker

I haven't purchased one yet, still looking, but I would imagine it needs the T piece, I'm connecting my boost gauge off the intake manifold the other side of the Turbo.
 
I'll need to look which type of turbo (may be a GTurbo type) is being utilized on this setup. It's aftermarket arrangement with with an EGT and boost gauges.

I don't have the orange and green lights, but the aforementioned gauges and was told never let it above 1200 degrees and make sure to keep the engine running till it gets to 400 or below.

The boost is in the latter range mentioned near 22. I also didn't off-hand see the second 10 mm nut on the rear of the pump. The only item I've seen on the rear of the pump with the tamper tag still attached is a nut, approximately 18-19 mm in diameter. Looks just like the front, expect just mentioned larger diameter.

The vehicle, to me seems to accelerate well, both low and high end, just with the description I've mentioned previously.

I'll look more in depth for the other 10mm at the rear of the pump after this next storm comes and goes. Thanks Tim-HJ61 and niffa!
 
I'll need to look which type of turbo (may be a GTurbo type) is being utilized on this setup. It's aftermarket arrangement with with an EGT and boost gauges.

I don't have the orange and green lights, but the aforementioned gauges and was told never let it above 1200 degrees and make sure to keep the engine running till it gets to 400 or below.

The boost is in the latter range mentioned near 22. I also didn't off-hand see the second 10 mm nut on the rear of the pump. The only item I've seen on the rear of the pump with the tamper tag still attached is a nut, approximately 18-19 mm in diameter. Looks just like the front, expect just mentioned larger diameter.

The vehicle, to me seems to accelerate well, both low and high end, just with the description I've mentioned previously.

I'll look more in depth for the other 10mm at the rear of the pump after this next storm comes and goes. Thanks Tim-HJ61 and niffa!

Hey, whoa. Can we just back this whole thing up a bit.

You say aftermarket arrangement and you don't have orange and green lights.

Aftermarket what?
Do you have a factory 12HT, or do you have a 2H with an aftermarket turbo?
And you are pushing 22psi? Man that is way tooo high for a standard CT26.
What makes you think you have a GTurbo fitted?

If you're not sure, please post photos.

Tim
 
Hey traveldud you gotta wind that boost back mate, have you ever heard the term 'smoke grenade' it's a common term for people who turbo charge 1HZ motors.

The 2H seem to be more adaptable to Turbos than the 1HZ but not pushing that much boost :bang:
 
Disagree with 2h being better to turbo than a 1hz. My 105 has 260, 000 on clock with turbo front mount and 15psi its a beast and tows a 20 foot horse float all the time with no problems. My hj61 is by far my favorite tho
 
Hi Guys, I'll post photos after snow clears. I already put over 5k miles since I bought it and the guy who sold it was solid. Hopefully the combo is worth something. I'll check in when I get the photos.
 
Hi Guys, I'll post photos after snow clears. I already put over 5k miles since I bought it and the guy who sold it was solid. Hopefully the combo is worth something. I'll check in when I get the photos.

It's sounding to me like you have a 2H motor with an aftermarket turbo and somehow have been led to believe this is a 12HT

This is incorrect, and the critical components you are asking for help with are different on the two motors, as are many other parts.

Looking forward to the clarity of some photos

Tim
 
Hi Guys, I'll post photos after snow clears. I already put over 5k miles since I bought it and the guy who sold it was solid. Hopefully the combo is worth something. I'll check in when I get the photos.

I know it's a craaaazy idea but maybe....ring Mr Solid and ask what you have........
 
Disagree with 2h being better to turbo than a 1hz. My 105 has 260, 000 on clock with turbo front mount and 15psi its a beast and tows a 20 foot horse float all the time with no problems. My hj61 is by far my favorite tho

Hey Niffa

You're probably right mate, I've owned both but never turboed either, but I have been around a lot of forums and to my knowledge the smoke grenade is only ever referred to a 1HZ with a turbo :D

:cheers:Spudman
 
If you are still getting black smoke when you stab the pedal from idle, or take off from the lights, then your OFF boost fuel setting is too high.

This is a similar setup to the main fuel screw you have already been playing with.

It is on the back of the aneroid where the pressure line comes into the governor setup at the back of the pump. I think it is a 10mm, same as the front, but uses a flat blade screwdriver to adjust the fuel screw. OUT is LESS fuel = less black smoke. If your pickup from idle to when the turbo picks up is sluggish, then screw this IN a little bit at a time.

This is a much finer adjustment than the front screw where you can go quarter turn each time. The back screw makes a difference at one eighth turn and then test. You're adjusting screws that control a rack, or a rod. Move it left for less fuel, move it right for more fuel. Simple.

Tim.

Can you point me which screw you are talking about when you talk about OFF boost fuel setting ? (12HT)

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