For John. N74L vs N101

[ShottsUZJ100]

Had to run to home depot and buy a small piece of flat stock, eh? Should have removed the barcode and could have color matched it at least. Still the best designed off-road rear 100 series bumper I am sure it must have been a slip of the tung in that other thread!

You must be imagining things?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

So on that 2nd picture, the rear spring is not loose?

Nope. The spring is tight. I found another spot where I lifted a wheel (pic) and grabbed it there too. Tight. I figured it be OK since it's the same in my 80. I'm THRILLED.

Now, I can picture your next Slee part number? N74L with N101 lower bushing and top washers. It'll be the N74-100.

OK, now send me the parts I used from the new N101s I bought from ya so I can sell them. Or, buy them back from me for cheap?

 

[SINCITY100]

The 863 spring is in well at full droop. We couldn't move it.

Hey Shotts...

Do you see any reason why the 866`s would have a problem staying put under full droop? I am very interested in using the same (L-shock) set-up.

The increase in flex is quite obvious in those pics...VERY Impressive !

 

[sleeoffroad]

There-in lies the problem. It is not that easy to get the bushing and washer kit's on their own from ARB. We have a similar issue on 4runner springs where we need bushings form another setup to make it work.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Hey Shotts...

Do you see any reason why the 866`s would have a problem staying put under full droop? I am very interested in using the same (L-shock) set-up.

The increase in flex is quite obvious in those pics...VERY Impressive !

Doubt it. I don't think the 866's are as tall as the 863's when unloaded. The 863's were much taller than my 865's (unloaded).

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

There-in lies the problem. It is not that easy to get the bushing and washer kit's on their own from ARB. We have a similar issue on 4runner springs where we need bushings form another setup to make it work.

Gotta be a way! Buy 100 of each at a time. People see this difference like I have and they'll demand these (from you or ARB). We need them!

 

[hoser]

I was thinking extending the rear shocks of my LX via 2" extension brackets to get more droop. If I have to lower the bumpstops by 2" I might as well get some of that unused part of the shock back.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I was thinking extending the rear shocks of my LX via 2" extension brackets to get more droop. If I have to lower the bumpstops by 2" I might as well get some of that unused part of the shock back.

On the contrary (so I've been told)...the reason the L-shock works so well despite the bump stops being lowered is because:

When the one side stuffs (compresses against the stop then it adds some downforce to the other side that's drooping. It's the added travel and droop you want, not just droop.

(So it's been explained to me...though you all know I can't write.)

 

[sleeoffroad]

John, you still have to make sure that you can not damage those shocks. You need to measure the shock when compressed and make sure this is less than the total space between top and bottom shock mount with the axle pushed up until it reaches the bumpstop. If not, you do not check this, you can damage the shock on the compression stroke.

In other words, the bump stop need to be the thing that stops the upward travel and not the shock.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John, you still have to make sure that you can not damage those shocks. You need to measure the shock when compressed and make sure this is less than the total space between top and bottom shock mount with the axle pushed up until it reaches the bumpstop. If not, you do not check this, you can damage the shock on the compression stroke.

In other words, the bump stop need to be the thing that stops the upward travel and not the shock.

I believe the bump stop is the limiter. I suppose a double-check of this Friday will tell the story. Thanks sir! Stay tuned..............

 

[SINCITY100]

Doubt it. I don't think the 866's are as tall as the 863's when unloaded. The 863's were much taller than my 865's (unloaded).

Hmmm...

Christo, Do you know off-hand ( or can you send me in the right direction for) the overall height difference, if any, of the 866`s vs the 863`s ?

Do you think spacers or packers would safely make up the difference ? ..Of course, I would prefer to avoid having to swap springs (from my 866`s) if possible...

Thanx!

 

[spressomon]

Hmmm...

Christo, Do you know off-hand ( or can you send me in the right direction for) the overall height difference, if any, of the 866`s vs the 863`s ?

Do you think spacers or packers would safely make up the difference ? ..Of course, I would prefer to avoid having to swap springs (from my 866`s) if possible...

Thanx!

Here's the OME spring chart courtesy of Kurt:

www.cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_OME_coils.html

Also SINCITY, how is the back of your rig equipped (bumpers, jack, etc.) and what type of loads do you typically carry (drawers, recovery gear, fridge/freeze, dogs, camping gear, etc.)

FYI: I am going to install springs I got from Christo tonight that are between the stiffness of the 863 and 864 (same bench height as the 863). Due to all the extra weight on/in my 100 we were not sure which spring would work best...I'll report back as soon as I know.

 

[SINCITY100]

Here's the OME spring chart courtesy of Kurt:

www.cruiseroutfitters.com/tech_OME_coils.html

Also SINCITY, how is the back of your rig equipped (bumpers, jack, etc.) and what type of loads do you typically carry (drawers, recovery gear, fridge/freeze, dogs, camping gear, etc.)

Thanks for the link !

Well, other than the Slee rear bumper I plan on installing, A large number of my Off roading is done with a relatively light load in the back( No drawers or fridge, light 33" spare, minor recovery equip..etc). Yes, I load it up heavily when I am doing a week+ journey, but I am trying to keep a happy medium between my day trips and longer ones.
So far, the 866`s have performed exceptional for both purposes, and I dont see (adding the Slee) making that huge of a difference...


I would , as I mentioned, like to keep the 866`s on as long as possible, but If it is crucial to run a different spring in order to utilize the L-shocks..Then I will have to change them out.

I am looking forward to hearing your report w/the new springs !

 

[sleeoffroad]

John, if you look at this picture you can see the bottom of the spring pretty close to being unseated. If that spring moves sideways then it is going to pop out of the spring seat. I would suggest you weld a retainer like the ones I showed earlier.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John, if you look at this picture you can see the bottom of the spring pretty close to being unseated. If that spring moves sideways then it is going to pop out of the spring seat. I would suggest you weld a retainer like the ones I showed earlier.

Sounds good. I've run the 80 this way for 3 years and all is OK. The cost to add this to both trucks is negligible so I'll do it.

Full story here (well, until I add the retainers...then it'll be updated):
http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/gallery/856625

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I would , as I mentioned, like to keep the 866`s on as long as possible, but If it is crucial to run a different spring in order to utilize the L-shocks..Then I will have to change them out.

Christo......told ya. Better get ordering that hardware.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John, if you look at this picture you can see the bottom of the spring pretty close to being unseated. If that spring moves sideways then it is going to pop out of the spring seat. I would suggest you weld a retainer like the ones I showed earlier.

Which thread was that from Mr. Slee? I want to grab the pics for my mechanic. Hope his welding holds.

 

[sleeoffroad]

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=63871

I would order the hardware if I could.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=63871

I would order the hardware if I could.

Thanks for the link.

The bumpstops do limit the travel. I pulled the wheellift again today and on the compressed side the stop was about 1/4" from the axle. Grabbing my Kaymar Bumper ( ) I way able to rock the truck to make the stop and axle meet. ALL IS WELL!

I did more wheeling today in that area. On climbs where I usually flip-flop wheels and claw for traction I now climbed without a slip. Far more stable.

I'm stoked!

 

[sleeoffroad]

OK, you have to realise that in real world conditions, you will probably compress the bumpstop by a good 1.5" or more. In the above situation, how much more uptravel did the shock have?

Oh, I forgot, your truck does not see real world wheeling, so we may be ok