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Ditcherman

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Hey all, been looking forward to posting this up for a while.
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First off, let me say I kinda hate the thread title and the name, as I don't really want to give credit to the ford frame and axles or in any way take away from the wonderful heritage of the FJ40. But it's just too fitting, it is what it is.
It's about a 5 year dream, with work starting about 4 years ago trying to build a 4 door FJ40 from 3 donors, on the '78 F250 Ranger frame from the truck I learned to drive in, with a donor Cummins 12v in it from a straight truck.

The frame was a real sticking point to progress, as the 12v barely fit in it and was very tight when you started putting FJ40 metal around it. I considered lengthening the hood and fenders, I even considered widening the whole thing...which is pretty deep for someone who has never welded any sheet metal that needed to be finished...
I'm learning a lot.
I'm a farmer, and I can weld a lot of stuff, I can make things happen, but this is a first.

Anyway, the project got shoved in the corner for 3-4 years until this winter, when I had 1. some inspiration (now or never!) and 2. a '89 F Super Duty that I needed the engine out of, and the body was trash on.

So we were off to the races with this new frame. The Dana 60's front and rear from the '78 were bolted up with most of the F450 springs removed, the Cummins 12v slid right in with some homemade mounts like it was meant to be there.
We put an ARB air locker in the rear and rebuilt both axles.

The original idea of repairing a couple of tubs I had was tossed last winter when I was feeling flush, and an Aqualu 130" tub was ordered, along with some fenders.

Oh, the other thing, this is absolutely positively going to be a hardtop. The Aqualu tub is awesome, but it's meant for a soft top, and creating the things to sit on top of the posts and allow the doors to seal correctly has taken me some time.
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Working on my sheet metal finishing skills currently, trying to master body filler over my seams.
The framer says "that's the drywaller's problem" and the drywaller says "that's the mud guys problem" and the mud guy says "that's the finish carpenters problem"... Did I mention I want to paint it myself?

I'm building this as a '74, SN on cowl and title will say '73, really trying to stick with some things that are pure FJ40 like lights, turn signals and doors, the overall look, but some things have to give. I am planning on ordering a tailgate from Aqualu instead of barn doors, it just looks too practical.

One thing that I hope will get better is getting rid of the leafs and going with a link suspension. It needs lowered bad, we've built the body on as low as possible but it's still crazy high. Will need 37's even with it lowered.
And I want to be able to drive it from Indiana to Colorado-Utah-Wyoming-wherever. It's more important to drive than extreme crawl for me.

I'm hoping to contribute in this thread and on this site as I can; I have really appreciated all the inspiration I have seen on here over the years.

I do have a question that's bugging me that I hope y'all will answer - how bad (remember now we're in the hardcore corner) would it be to paint an FJ one color on the outside and a different color on the inside? Will that go over the line?
I actually have a 74 restomod (light on the resto heavy on the mod) that we did 6-8 years ago, before I knew really how iconic the FJ was, and we painted it a deep green with metal flake outside and a cream on the inside and I really like that cream/off white on the inside.
What say you Mud?

Thanks for having me, thanks again for all the inspiration, and looking forward to more.
 
Hi Mike, thanks, you've been one of those who have really inspired me and I really appreciate your thread!

I can't seem to find the most recent Cummins 6BT thread but I'll keep looking, it was quite inspiring too.
 
Hi Mike, thanks, you've been one of those who have really inspired me and I really appreciate your thread!

I can't seem to find the most recent Cummins 6BT thread but I'll keep looking, it was quite inspiring too.
Thanks. It’s been a labor of love. Doing a two tone paint job would look neat. I’m sure that you saw in my thread that I followed the guidelines from Eastwood. I’ll put a link below for future reference. I’d shoot the inside first, let dry and then tape. Don’t cheap out on the paint gun. It makes all the difference…well, and technique.

 
Thanks. It’s been a labor of love. Doing a two tone paint job would look neat. I’m sure that you saw in my thread that I followed the guidelines from Eastwood. I’ll put a link below for future reference. I’d shoot the inside first, let dry and then tape. Don’t cheap out on the paint gun. It makes all the difference…well, and technique.

I’ve only painted one car and it turned out bad, but painted a lot of equipment, backhoes, tile plow, trenchers, farm tractors, that turned out excellent. So this will be single stage, what I can do well.

Eastwood has some great info out there.
My local Napa guy is a great help to me too.

Was hoping to have everything stripped back off, frame rolled out and sandblasted and brought back in an POR15’ed by now but hasn’t happened yet.
And now planting season is here, so we’ll see.
 
I am confused :hmm: . Are you trying to say this is not going to be a nut and bolt Everything correct down to the OE air in the tires build ? In that case put as much glitter as you want in the paint :)
 
I am confused :hmm: . Are you trying to say this is not going to be a nut and bolt Everything correct down to the OE air in the tires build ? In that case put as much glitter as you want in the paint :)
Haha no flake on this one but I appreciate the permission!

Sometimes my help is confused because I’ll be like “no that’s not FJ40ish, it has to be FJ40ish” and they have no idea they’re just trying to help and we’re just a bunch of ditch diggers and farmers.
 
Haha no flake on this one but I appreciate the permission!

Sometimes my help is confused because I’ll be like “no that’s not FJ40ish, it has to be FJ40ish” and they have no idea they’re just trying to help and we’re just a bunch of ditch diggers and farmers.
I have tried to keep my 40 as 40 as can be considering . but its built for a purpose .
 
How is this build coming along?
Slow and boring right now.
Finishing planting, sidedressing, and trying to find the rhythm of the build vs actual work I should be doing.

Lots of sanding and filling on body panels which seems very tedious to me.

I also have so many different directions I’m trying to solve for at once that I’m not very efficient; I’ll walk by the intercooller parts and start fiddling with how they’re going to hook up, while trying to imagine how I’m going to fit an air box in, and look down and start thinking about suspension, and then study for a while if I’m going to have to mod the fender for the steering rod when the axle gets moved forward when the links go in….
Oh I almost forgot ‘how’s the snorkel fit?’.

Hopefully I’m getting better on focusing.

I did make a leap and ordered a bunch of link parts from Artec over the weekend while they were on sale. Triangular 4 link for the rear, 3 link with a pan hard for the front, trying to lower the whole thing.

I made the stand for my JD2 bender last night, I have to bolt it to the floor as I’m too tight to buy the ram right now and I want to bend some by hand anyhow, sanding is tedious but bending will be art???
Want to make my own rock sliders based on my Tundra ones, front bumper, and a roll cage.

So lots of reading on here as well, really appreciate everyone on here.
 
It sounds like a decent effort! Sanding and filling can be tedious. I spent a lot of time here and I now wish that I had spent a little more time. How are you organizing all of these priorities outside of your mind so that you can see them from another angle?
 
It sounds like a decent effort! Sanding and filling can be tedious. I spent a lot of time here and I now wish that I had spent a little more time. How are you organizing all of these priorities outside of your mind so that you can see them from another angle?
Wait, there’s an “outside my mind”?!?

Seriously, I think that’s how I need to find my way forward.
Getting some decisions made on suspension, wrong or right, was a huge relief.
This morning I’m going out with my dads mantra, “do something even if it’s wrong” and going to get the little air to water intercooler mocked up at least and then try to solve the air lines problem. It’s just steel, they make more.
I have a helper sanding and helping prep for paint today so that’s a load off, I just need to let him work.

Not sure if that’s the right answer to the outside my mind question?
 
Ha! I know that mantra, too, and it’s hard to combat getting something done vs doing it right as it feels good to check something off of a list. But it sounds like you are missing the list 😉

You might be experiencing a touch of overload. You might feel like you need to think about how all of these components fit together at once but I wonder if your mind is working overtime to try and remember all of the things that you need to do that you are burning bandwidth to do them? The mind is a very fascinating.

This may sound silly but you might take a step back today and grab a pack or sticky notes. Brainstorm all of the things that you need to accomplish, then lump those into buckets of work that need to be accomplished together, then prioritize the ONE bucket that you are working on this week/month in order. Put the rest in a backlog so your mind doesn’t have to think about it right now, but let the mind rest a bit knowing that those items haven’t been forgotten. Keep adding to your backlog when you think of something new while you are working.

It’s not a perfect science, either. I wish that I had my body when I did my suspension because the suspension was hard to design for articulation without knowing where the fenders could be, but it was nice to fabricate the suspension without the body being in the way. I ended up borrowing a scrap tub from my brother (i.e. I kept my tub in the backlog) to mock things in place, which later gave me new ideas for how to have my tub engineered. Ultimately I had things done to my tub that I never considered, such as raising and lengthening the inner fenders so that I could lower the truck and still stuff a 40” tire in there. Had I moved forward with them both together I’m not exactly sure what I would have ended up with. Ha.
 
Ha! I know that mantra, too, and it’s hard to combat getting something done vs doing it right as it feels good to check something off of a list. But it sounds like you are missing the list 😉

You might be experiencing a touch of overload. You might feel like you need to think about how all of these components fit together at once but I wonder if your mind is working overtime to try and remember all of the things that you need to do that you are burning bandwidth to do them? The mind is a very fascinating.
Yes!
Definitely burning bandwidth that shouldn’t need to be burnt.
This may sound silly but you might take a step back today and grab a pack or sticky notes. Brainstorm all of the things that you need to accomplish, then lump those into buckets of work that need to be accomplished together, then prioritize the ONE bucket that you are working on this week/month in order. Put the rest in a backlog so your mind doesn’t have to think about it right now, but let the mind rest a bit knowing that those items haven’t been forgotten. Keep adding to your backlog when you think of something new while you are working.
I need to find and re read that motivational stuff that talked about putting things into categories of urgent/necessary, important but not urgent, urgent but not necessary (things other people pressure you into?) etc and reset.
It’s not a perfect science, either. I wish that I had my body when I did my suspension because the suspension was hard to design for articulation without knowing where the fenders could be, but it was nice to fabricate the suspension without the body being in the way. I ended up borrowing a scrap tub from my brother (i.e. I kept my tub in the backlog) to mock things in place, which later gave me new ideas for how to have my tub engineered. Ultimately I had things done to my tub that I never considered, such as raising and lengthening the inner fenders so that I could lower the truck and still stuff a 40” tire in there. Had I moved forward with them both together I’m not exactly sure what I would have ended up with. Ha.
Your body (no homo) turned out great, and I wondered how you did that, ordering from Aqualu. But that explains it. Thinking outside the box to arrive at an elegant solution.
 
Why not just run a Super Duty front axle and get some coil buckets. Basically just mimic a SD suspension ?
I had a manager of a professional shop (super helpful btw) recommend that I start over with an +05 super duty frame but I really didn’t want to do that.
It wasn’t til then that I realized my front end is so high only because the springs I’m using were with a 2wd drop beam axle, and I am now in my way to fixing that.
Because the rear of the 6bt dictates where the firewall sits, and the firewall dictates where the fenders go, and the fenders dictate where the radiator can go but also where the front axle needs to be to mimic an FJ40 setup, I thought I would be modifying and linking an 05 frame anyway.

But getting just the axle as you suggest could be a viable possibility…
If the old kingpin 60 turns out to be reliable for the distance I hopefully won’t have any regrets.
 
Funny to find this thread, I am currently doing the same thing to client's vehicle at work.

I took a slightly different B pillar approach. Yours looks good!

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Funny to find this thread, I am currently doing the same thing to client's vehicle at work.

I took a slightly different B pillar approach. Yours looks good!

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Mine looks……complicated. At best. I went for keeping the vertical rain gutter look, but your smooth look really looks nice, especially with the newer doors.
For some reason that door looks shorter? I took 5 3/4 out of mine.
Shortening the first door was the first sheetmetal cutting and welding I had ever done in my life. So I’m learning bondo too…

It sure makes sense to finish that pillar in aluminum up to the hinge!
We’ll see how mine do.
I scored some convertible seats so I’m not worried about seat belt points off the pillar.

Good looking build!
 

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