Exspession of interest FLEXI COILS

[MCB Parts]

The want in the market for a progressive rate slinky coil, US made, in stock, ready to ship in various heights and weight ratings.

It keeps $ in the US, it brings another choice to a small, limited market, and a different flavor of ride quality and handling.

Just like in every automotive arena, there are choices and purpose built products. Look at the jeep market, it's flooded with parts, too many really! Some of it is junk and some very high quality. Same as the muscle car market I am in, and so on..

The variations considered "acceptable" in spring rate by most manufactures are a joke! Anyone have a cruiser that leans? Coils that have sagged? It's usually traced back to the material used and how well they are made/QC'd.

 

[Delancy]

Begs the question....

Why is a "flexy" coil necessary?

The longest shock offering on the market, that's in stock, ready to ship, only affords ~60% of the rear links "droop" travel.

The Ls I ran, with a 5" lift, afforded all of an inch or two of down travel on the rear axle, well short of potential.

The shocks I had built to the exact specifications of the front and rear axles travel cost half what guys claim they're buying entire 80s for, and there's not a much cheaper way out.

Add the radius arms that actually benefited articulation and travel enough to warrant dual rate coils, and that's about the point of entry for cheap 80s.

What the market wants the market can't viably sustain, especially not like the Heep crowd.

Read threads on here, then go hop on a Jeep forum, where they spend more of dual hi lift jacks and jerry can carriers than some enter the 80 affair.

On any given day, I can drive 5 miles around the house and pass 10 4WP catalogue built jeeps that have a $100k price tag, yet folks complain about spending more than $50 a shock on the 80 board.

Pink unicorns that chit rainbows don't exist, nor does the money to support a similar dream of a flexy 80 that the suspension/steering is holistically addressed.

I'm not trying to be an a******, nor dissuade you your endeavors, but trying to point out that there are many individual trees that comprise the forest....and that fact is easy to overlook.

Coils have a lesser value in the overall equation, the other factors exponentially more important to handling characteristics, but be that as it may, will offer this:

If it were viable, Christo would've offered years ago....

It's not possible to improve much beyond ground clearance for even a halfway reasonable amount of money and the market isn't there, plus, there's inherent detractions known to what has been attempted, that most are/were aware....that I was warned against.

I was in the process of planning corrective measures, maintaining the flexy coils and shocks, and to do it right, was looking at $4-5k in fab and materials.

Obviously, mine was an epic fail that I take full responsibility for, but, out of those ashes a Phoenix is rising.....there'll be no flexy coils involved.

(Edited: I've ran dual rate on the back of an Uber FJC for four years and the same ails are present there, too.

If one wanted to bring a product that is viable, check out IPORs coil retainers on the FZJ40 build.

$40 in material, say $40 in labor. Sell for $199 and you've solved the markets perceived needs of coils falling out.

Short of that, there's little benefit to an economical suspension for the 80).

 

[MCB Parts]

Progressive rate = ability to create a better ride in normal driving conditions and retain the ability to load the coil such as in a quick lane change or offramp.

Most of these trucks see blacktop what, 90+ % of seat time?

I also see a benefit offroad at higher speed on logging type roads.

I am familiar to a reasonable extent with the 80 setup but I do not claim to be an expert. Like I mentioned before, this is more of a "I want to make a more comfortable, yet safe and still capable 80"

That's all! I have easy access to the manuf. for both coils and shocks, dynos, 4 corner scales, ect... I think you are thinking I am trying to turn the 80 into something it's not but honestly I have to say what I put my 96 LX through at my ranch and what my buddy put it through before I bought it back (I bought as lo mi cream puff, already had a built 94 so I sold it to him!) it takes it all.

It flexes like crazy imo, it's locked on worn 285 KM2's, 2.5 OME, sliders, ft shortbus... Unstoppable!
And I hsve a lot of geat terrain to run on, a little of everything.

You don't have to be an a******, i'm not and I am a vendor on some major forums that I do work on allllll day so I by NO means want to engage in a forum pissing match! I don't do it for a living nor personally.

Input I asked for, and received. I hope you better understand where I am coming from now that I feel I better explained it.

The side you are talking about, i'm all about modding the hell out of an 80, why not? Even if I have to tow it! Starting from scratch at that point would be a great project, few will do it but those that have do seem to enjoy what they have created! I have 2 young kids, plus more that go out with us, i need the big beast!

 

[Delancy]

My expressed intent was to not sound the a******, as it's difficult to convey tone in text, and my inout is unnecessary, anyway.

Apologies.

 

[MCB Parts]

It wasn't taken that way, the ahole comment was just to let you know I am not one to get into any BS on forums.

They are here for the exchange of info and to meet people interested in the same hobby. IMO

Agreed on the difficulty of conveying tone in text, it is one of the biggest problems today! Everyone texts instead of calling, sends emails, forums ect.. Much is lost in translation. It is too bad.

No worries, TGIF!!
Matt