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ok all I need help here . 1987 fj60 needs new motor. wife says must be done for free or so she thinks. Boss gave me a 1988 k2500. It ran as good as can be expected for 280000 miles. It has a 700r4 tranny dont know about the transfer case or rear, and its a tbi 350. Now the hard part what do i need altogether off this truck to make sure the swap goes smoothly. I'm not new to motors and trucks and such just new to chevies I am a ford man and now a toyota man. But since the truck was free i need to use it. The motor will get rebuilt and for now i know i need the harness the gas pedal and cable. But after that I have no idea. and how do i found out what reaar it is and what transfer case. Because I am planning soa when the motor swap is done and this chevey isalready spring over and it might save me a little. And I'd love to put dual cases on it. I want to keep the toy manual. so if anyone want s the tranny speak up I'm thinking about using it to offset some costs. I know about he search function before anyone says something and between here and google i have spent what seems like three daays finding nothing so here is my post. Any help at all is greatly appreciated I just want to get this chevy out of my dads yard and i want to put the motor in so I can start my next project.




thanks all

:beer: :beer: Bryon:beer: :beer: :beer:
 
blackandbluefj said:
i know i need the harness the gas pedal and cable. QUOTE]
You need:

Motor with induction and exhaust manifold
Harness
TBI computer
throttle cable (the stock Toy gas pedal is easily adpated to the TBI cable)
Manual tranny flywheel
Clutch cover and disk
Engine adapter to Toy tranny (AA or Marks adapater)
New custom exhaust system

This will not be a "free" swap - expect several thousand minimum
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There are tons of threads on V8 conversions both here and in the 40 tech section. A search should yield many hours of reading and lots of details.



The only free (cheap) V8 jobs I've seen, sucked. Do it right or sell the k2500 to finance a healthy 2F swap.
 
That TBI setup is truly a nondesirable "upgrade." I've seen more run terribly than run good.

I'd say sell that truck, either have your 2F rebuilt or find a used one to swap back in.
 
Swaping a 2f for a chevy v-8 will not be any where cheap.The trans to t-case adaptor that that you will need alone is I believe around $700.00. I'm doing a conversion on a fj60 to a 6bt cummins and would probaly be willing to part with a great running 2f that would be alot closer to cheap
 
If you are interested in doing the swap with what you have I would recommend calling Advance Adapters. Tell them the parts you want to use and they will tell you what to use. You will than be able to use the part numbers they give you to shop around. They will also mail you a catalogue that explains your options and has some instructions for the install. You will be spending a few grand to complete the project. Still way cheaper than buying a new 4x4 SUV that will not go where your Cruiser will take you.

By keeping your manual Toyota tranny and transfercase you will have room for the front driveshaft. Using the 700R will leave you little clearance for the front driveshaft and force you to shift the engine towards the drivers side. If you will drive the Crusier 80% or more on the HWY I would recommend the 700R as long as the off road driving you do is not very serious.

You will be able to use your radiator as long as it is a four core. If not you can get it rebuilt with a four core and even have the necks moved as necessary. You will also want a tranny cooler installed into the lower tank if it does not already have one. You will want to build a fan shroud. Not running one will cause over heating under load.

I would urge you to only buy the Toyota repair manual for your particular year and model. You will need the schematics that are in it. The aftermarket books are not worth the savings.

Keep in mind that you may need all the SMOG equipment from the donor truck.

You will most likely need to have your front and rear driveshaft modified. It is a horrible idea to try and set the engine in a position that will save you from trying to modify the shafts.

Keep and eye on your hood clearance and how close you get to the front axle with the pan. If you have a suspension lift it would help, though not necessary.

I would recommend using a B&M shifter for the auto. You can use a lokar, but it will be much easier to use the B&M.

I gotta go, but I will come back and edit tis post with more info.
 
A TBI350 is 5x the motor a carbed 2f is. You get better economy, it will run in any position, you have 50% more power, parts are everywhere & cheap, a well maintained TBI350 will run just as long as a well maintained 2f, far less maintenance, etc...

The swap will be alot of work & will cost about as much as having your 2f rebuilt (about $1700 is the cheapest if you do the R&R) but in the end you will have a much better setup.

I've had one in my 60 w/ a 700r4 for 4+ years & I have never longed for my old 2f.

I would keep the 700r4 & use a 203 crawler box to stock transfer case. the parts for that will run $700 - $800. You will also need a ramshorn manifold for atleast the passenger side $100. The stock radiator will be fine if you have no A/C. You will need a shifter (Fj62 can be adapted) $100. Wiring Harness $300.
Exhaust $250. Trans cooler $75. Drive shafts $200. Misc. $500.

Total: $2,325

2f rebuild will probably cost you that after you repalce the water pump & have the carb rebuilt, clutch and probably a few other things.

I gaurantee you will not regret the TBI350 once it is complete.
 
So you ever drive your truck now that it is registered???

:flipoff2:

Don't know about the less mainteneance thing..

That 203 idea sure is a good one :) Call Mudrack for the adapter. Should be cheaper than $800 as long as the 203 bolts to the 700R4 (that adapter I do not know about)

It is nice being able to go to McDonalds to get parts for your motor but........

2F's rule tho..

:flipofff2:
 
Mace said:
So you ever drive your truck now that it is registered???

:flipoff2:

Don't know about the less mainteneance thing..

That 203 idea sure is a good one :) Call Mudrack for the adapter. Should be cheaper than $800 as long as the 203 bolts to the 700R4 (that adapter I do not know about)

It is nice being able to go to McDonalds to get parts for your motor but........

2F's rule tho..

:flipofff2:
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Actually it is still not registered :mad: when it is, it will be driven!!! :cool:

the adapter is $500+ from mudrak but you need a new output for the trans which runs around $150.

Actually I prefer geting my parts at taco bell. I bought a brand new waterpump from Napa for like $50 try that with a 2f.... how bout when I reringed my 2f & rings cost me $100 vs $20 for the 350.

The throttle body needs no adjustments to the unit whereas on the 2f I was always dicking with the carb, adjusting the valves, etc... I also had one hell of a time with oil leaks where my 350 has no leaks whatsoever.

I just had a hard time with my 2f & hated waiting for parts.
 
Figured there was something else involved there.. But it is a good idea considering that it is not much more expensive to have a 203 instead of just an adapter....

See that is where you and I differ, I like my fast parts from a USA place, not hecho in Mexico.. :flipoff2:

I honestly think that the water pump that I replaced in my 40 was $60 at napa.. not horribly more expensive..

I guess I should ac tually adjust the valves in my 40.. Considering that I have NEVER done it..

:D
 
moto60 said:
Swaping a 2f for a chevy v-8 will not be any where cheap.The trans to t-case adaptor that that you will need alone is I believe around $700.00. I'm doing a conversion on a fj60 to a 6bt cummins and would probaly be willing to part with a great running 2f that would be alot closer to cheap
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Hey Moto60, where do you live? My little brother might be looking for a used 2f...

PM me if you'd like...

ML
 
350 TBI mythology

gnx7 said:
That TBI setup is truly a nondesirable "upgrade." I've seen more run terribly than run good.
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gnx7 must not get out much. There are a bizillion TLCs running around with TBI 350s that run just fine. Yes, its not as sexy, but a well-thought-out TBI swap is simpler and cheaper than the TPI motors. Much easier and cheaper to fix also - parts available at Taco Bell.

Anyone that advocates redoing a 2F in a 60 in preference of a V8 swap when either is a possible option has never driven a V8J60. It's like night and day, amigos.

curious1 said:
You will most likely need to have your front and rear driveshaft modified. It is a horrible idea to try and set the engine in a position that will save you from trying to modify the shafts.
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For an 87 FJ60, if you use the Marks adapter there is no need to do any driveline mods. You use the stock tranny mounts, which sets the front and back location, as well as the up and down (you still need to decide on the engine's tilt angle). You can also reuse the Toy clutch slave cylinder and fork.

HTH
 
Cruisergreg said:
Anyone that advocates redoing a 2F in a 60 in preference of a V8 swap when either is a possible option has never driven a V8J60. It's like night and day, amigos.
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I would prefer night...

Given the choice I would go 2f..

I have driven both..
 
great info and yes i have looked in all the archives and searches but nothing specific and all general and I like to see what im getting into before i do it. So I assume this 2500 has a 203 in it, as for the 700r4 option I really enjoy the manual and since i cant afford a nv4500 I'll get by with the toy tranny. did i fail to mention I also have a full engine building shop/machine shop at my disposal. Also the truck has ome suspension and 2 inch body.. hopefully to change soon. Engine tilt angle is there a specific measurement for this?? I'm giving kurt a call at cruiser outfitters tommorrrow to see what i have in the way of adaptors and such. Thanks for a lll the great info so far lets keep it coming though I know you havent even started with allt he great info.


thanks

Bryon
 
so the truck is full time 4wd then?

I would not assume a 89 truck to have a 203
 
blackandbluefj said:
Engine tilt angle is there a specific measurement for this??
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The Jags That Run book (this is recommended reading before a swap, btw) states an ideal tilt is 3 - 5 degrees upward. If you're not monkeying with the rear mounts then the biggest consideration for tilt is trying to keep the rear driveline flanges in phase. That said, any time you start messing with a lift, either body or suspension, you alter the phase from stock. I spent about a day trying to decide on the best angle and finally said WTF and split the difference at 4 degrees. In the end I didn't have any driveline vibration or other problems - don't know if I actually made wise choices or just got lucky.
 
blackandbluefj said:
actually its my daily driven beater and offroader love that toyota reliability wellnow what tranfer case am i looking at in the 88 2500????
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I may have missed something in an earlier post, but why would you care what xfer is in the chebby? If you're keeping the Toy 4 spd I can't see why you'ld want to put in a 203 in place of the Toy split case (unless you're thinking doubler, in which case go for it).
 
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