Well share it someplace. It's not like this thread hasn't fully gone off the rails already
Don't let them have your 200 (1 Viewer)
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Well share it someplace. It's not like this thread hasn't fully gone off the rails already
Ayup. When it comes to off-road capable heavy duty wagons, the full fat cruisers stand alone IMO. The Patrol can arguably be a contender but that configuration doesn't really exist in the US and has always played second fiddle. Everything else in this space tends to be middleweights, now with the LC250 covering the lower end and GX550 the upper end.
Just another example of how we can't have nice things as typical American consumers value features that tend to be skin deep. Branding, features, disposable products, versus deeper substance, quality, and strength. These new cruisers will rust away fast.
Once owning a full fat cruiser, it shows you what deeper substance is. Its so hard to look at other things the same again.
Maybe the boys will grow up and experience it one of these days.
we travel quite a bit through africa/se asia/middle east - LC everywhere as you imagineI suppose it's the wrong name to appropriate then. The most 80's & 100's per capita I think I've ever seen was in Uyuni, Boliva
But Land Cruiser Uyuni just doesn't roll of the tongue like Real Land Cruiser
Cairo had lots more LC, hardly any in Luxor - thus was just prodding you
When we were in Iceland it was full of the GX .. hilarious was seeing massive 2500 Ram trucks on polar truck style wheels and conversion vans lifted on wheels on their narrow ring roads
BBW fo life, Paul!!!!
Toyota makes a lot of mistakes. The examples are myriad. Where is the full size Lexus SUV? It's the one vehicle dealers have been begging for for 20 years and Toyota refuses to build one. Definitely leaving a lot of $ on the table by not even having a product in the most profitable segment in the luxury car space. Toyota also thought that they could sell a 150hp 4cyl version of the 4,700lb 4Runner in the USA as recently as 2010 that was a complete failure. They decided Lexus will be 100% EVs globally by 2035. That's 10 years. And no more ICE powered LX. No more GX... etc. I doubt they'll follow through with that. But it's still the current public stance. They don't have a crystal ball. They're just guessing. More often right than wrong, but wrong a lot. The 200 series in the USA is actually a pretty good example of a mistake, not a success.
The OP said he owns three 200 series, briefly considered and then decided against trading one in for a 250.
I'm wondering how many older Land Cruisers he has? If none, I'd definitely get rid of at least one of the 200s and get a 40, 55, 60, 70 or 80.
Or maybe some generation of 4Runner. They're great trucks too.
I'm wondering how many older Land Cruisers he has? If none, I'd definitely get rid of at least one of the 200s and get a 40, 55, 60, 70 or 80.
Or maybe some generation of 4Runner. They're great trucks too.
Why not a 100?The OP said he owns three 200 series, briefly considered and then decided against trading one in for a 250.
I'm wondering how many older Land Cruisers he has? If none, I'd definitely get rid of at least one of the 200s and get a 40, 55, 60, 70 or 80.
Or maybe some generation of 4Runner. They're great trucks too.
Reminds me of the last time I drove through Crested Butte.
It's a very cool place, I made it a mandatory stop when I picked up my hundy out west.
Would highly recommend. Still need a plate frame though, they were out when I was there.
Also, I distinctively remember when the 250 was launched, people said that 200/100 series would go down in value. (80's are set in stone at this point it seems)
I really wish that was the case so I wouldn't have to explain to people why I spent so much money on a 8 year old 100k+ mile Toyota.
Unless he'd be buying one of the older cruisers for specialty use that the newer ones are not suitable for (say, beating the s*** out of it in tight trails/rocks), that move would be pretty pointless IMO.The OP said he owns three 200 series, briefly considered and then decided against trading one in for a 250.
I'm wondering how many older Land Cruisers he has? If none, I'd definitely get rid of at least one of the 200s and get a 40, 55, 60, 70 or 80.
Or maybe some generation of 4Runner. They're great trucks too.
As much as we love to romanticize classic vehicles (I'm as guilty as anyone and have my own soft spots for early 2000's BMWs), they're all slow, inefficient, loud, uncomfortable, and hard to maintain death traps. We are all better off with newer vehicles.
This is also clearly visible in the classic car industry, which has prices steadily declining. The boomers are dying off, and Gen Z/Gen X/millenials want nothing to do with 60's
A "classic" is only a "classic" for someone that was young enough to drool over that vehicle in their youth. To everyone else, they're horse buggies in a Lambo world.
But a win for those in the know and able to acquire one.
The LC250 is a win too. Also a win for owners to taste a bit of the LC heritage at a lower price point.
A mistake for owners catfished with bait and switch branding. And definitely a mistake for those who think it's the real thing.
"Catfish Cruiser" works for me.
That’s perfect. I laughed at that one.
I'm going with 'Zill Tricker'. You're welcome to announce that as you encounter individuals or crowds
Calling it a catfish is a bit facetious. It's not like you were forced to buy this thing site unseen with a complete void of media coverage including grips of info on the known smaller drivetrain here on Mud loooooong before they were available at dealers. It's almost like you're trying to convince others you were tricked lol
happens to me when i am at dinner with my wife
What’s with your huge backing on the 250? Do you really enjoy that’s our only new LC option now?I'm going with 'Zill Tricker'. You're welcome to announce that as you encounter individuals or crowds
Calling it a catfish is a bit facetious. It's not like you were forced to buy this thing site unseen with a complete void of media coverage including grips of info on the known smaller drivetrain here on Mud loooooong before they were available at dealers. It's almost like you're trying to convince others you were tricked lol
When Toyota comes out and says “the legend returns”, this is a catfish marketing statement. It’s not a legend anymore by any stretch of the imagination.
I gave it a chance, and came to the realization that it won’t satisfy oneself as a replacement for the 200. The whole point of this thread is to give 200 owners a heads up on that.
I put money where my mouth is with real world ownership experience. I wasn’t paid by Toyota to do press coverage on this rig.
The 250 is a joke to be a successor of the 200. And really doesn’t make sense to be sold here in the States when we have the now more capable 4Runner as an option.
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you already got post of the year
we cant give you any more awards
unless you want participation trophies the 250 owners get at a LC meet….
Right, you’ve been as vocal about that as you are about announcing you own a Land Cruiser to anyone with an ear canal. I get it, you hate it, awesome. I feel like I’m talking to a 100 Series owner in 2008 when the URJ200 launched.
I like most Cruiser enthusiasts, didn’t need to buy one to know it wasn’t a 200
We did purchase a GX550 to replace the Mrs Cruiseroutfit’s 460 and couldn’t be happier with it, absolutely pleased. Fwiw I’ve also spent zero minutes confused or upset that it’s not a LX600 and still not selling a 200 This is where you continue to miss the point imo and it’s apparent by your myopic ability to confuse the fact that the 250 is a replacement for the 200. It simply shouldn’t have taken any deliberation given it went to a much smaller motor, axles, steering, suspension and chassis… all extremely well advertised specs… at a $30k price deduction. The Zill Tricker strikes again.
What’s with your huge backing on the 250? Do you really enjoy that’s our only new LC option now?[/QOUTE]
I’ll say it again, I celebrate what they are, not what I wish they would have been. And I can do that without needing to buy one. I’ve said over and over, I hope they sell well, make most owners happy and thus convince Toyota we need 3 Land Cruisers in the US market. Hating it because it’s something we don’t have the option to buy… is just dumb.
It will have an FJ Cruiser like effect. Many buyers will be long rooted Cruiser enthusiasts, wanting to have something new in the family, something in addition to their other Cruisers, @orangefj45 and @wngrog for instance… I can think of quite a few in that realm.
Other buyers will be new to the greater Cruiser and Toyota 4x4 realm, maybe even new to Toyota. They will find out home much reliable freedom and mobility they can offer and next thing you know they’ve bought a 200, a JDM Cruiser and their kids are driving old 4Runners and Tacomas. It’s a pretty standard story and it’s good for the greater Land Cruiser community, Mud, TLCA, LCHM, etc.
We can be thankful for the 250, for the first time 200 Series owners get try and been the gatekeeper of the Cruiser kingdom. All these years we’ve been locked outside
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