Does the 1958 trim have the same transmission gearing as the Land Cruiser / FE trim?
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245/70 vs 265/70 is only about a 3.5% difference in height. Not enough to drastically affect gearing.
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I firmly believe the smaller tires on the 1958 are there to reduce MSRP as that buyer is expected to replace them with something to there personal tastes day one.
I firmly believe this is BS. The Geolander X-CV is a very expensive AS tire costing more than many larger off road tires. It has a 50,000 mile tread wear warranty, is very highly rated and quiet as as well. To state that it was put on the 1958 to keep the MSRP down is, IMHO, ludicrous.
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My comment only mentioned the smaller size to cut cost, not the specific tire. The irony is that the Yoko does generally cost more than the Michelins on the higher trims. At least they cost more in the USA. In Japan it could be reversed? I don’t know. The Yoko’s I own are all made in Japan. Michelin has manufacturing all over. Yoko could too.
They could have spec’d the smaller tires to improve MPG also. Regardless I don’t see anyone keeping them long. I don’t see myself keeping the Michelin’s either.
They could have spec’d the smaller tires to improve MPG also. Regardless I don’t see anyone keeping them long. I don’t see myself keeping the Michelin’s either.
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We don’t know what Mr. T is paying for them in volume. The 1958 seems to be offered in response to those looking for a return to utilitarian style Cruisers. The same folks who modify/wheel them verse soccer moms. (I’m talking initial purchaser). It only makes sense to me to spec a “disposable” tire on the 1958. But we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Based on tirerack and discount it would appear the 250 is the only vehicle currently spec’d with a 245/70r18. Neither have any other offerings available. Quick search on BFG shows nothing.
Toyota always specifies and buys the cheapest tires from their suppliers for all applicable use case scenarios for factory assembly. Always.
Now, what Toyota are paying for 500,000 tires in bulk is a different story.
Now, what Toyota are paying for 500,000 tires in bulk is a different story.
It seems that cheap rubber is the goal on all the volume models. But the RAV4 TRD has Falken Wildpeaks. Tacoma get an upgraded Wrangler Territory. GR Corolla gets the pilot sport 4S. OTOH the LC300 gets low end highway touring rubber - even on the GR Sport. Probably a volume product vs specialty model type decision. I'd guess the LC250 and LC300 are viewed as volume models generally. TRD Pro or GR models are more in the specialty range. The LC250 is probably more in the volume bin.
Stock tires are usually an immediate replace item for me, so I'm mostly indifferent on this type of vehicle. But it would be cool to have a good tire that has some secondary resale value.
And - it seems pretty obvious that toyota handicaps trims and models to make them less compelling/capable to create differentiation. It would not be a surprise at all to me if Toyota paid more for a smaller tire to make the 1958 a down market option. Toyota has developed a lower output software tune for various models to sell as a cheaper option despite the incrementally higher cost to develop the cheap model. I do suspect that at Toyota's volume of tire purchases you could predict the cost per tire by the tire's raw material weight and the smaller ones are probably cheaper.
Stock tires are usually an immediate replace item for me, so I'm mostly indifferent on this type of vehicle. But it would be cool to have a good tire that has some secondary resale value.
And - it seems pretty obvious that toyota handicaps trims and models to make them less compelling/capable to create differentiation. It would not be a surprise at all to me if Toyota paid more for a smaller tire to make the 1958 a down market option. Toyota has developed a lower output software tune for various models to sell as a cheaper option despite the incrementally higher cost to develop the cheap model. I do suspect that at Toyota's volume of tire purchases you could predict the cost per tire by the tire's raw material weight and the smaller ones are probably cheaper.
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Expensive for you to purchase at retail or for Toyota global sourcing to purchase?
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I can tell you the tires are cheap (for Toyota) on the 1958 because it's not only the most simple explanation, it's the only thing that even remotely makes sense.
The entire vehicle is designed like a coloring book for the owner to do with what they want.
The entire vehicle is designed like a coloring book for the owner to do with what they want.
In the USA market. Globally its probably around 200k, 350k if you include the 4Runner that is basically the same vehicle built on the same production line. It's not Corolla volume, but more than Tundra. Probably about the same as Camry global sales. It's also about half as expensive in other markets, so I'm sure it'll sell in higher volumes where it's less expensive.
LC250/GX550 is definitely a volume vehicle. It’s being manufactured on 2 dedicated assembly lines at 2 plants.
