I was at URE in December at the barn and was looking at the diesel 60 and I was wanting to know if there was a build site on that truck. I was curious on engine and transmission and what size axles the truck had.
Diesel 60
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Thanks. Just something to think about while at work to make the day to by. I am trying to get some storage space so I can have some more cruisers. Having an 62 and a 60 I figure I need to get a diesel 60 in the mix
Where'd you get the B3.3?
b3.3s are fairly easy to come by these days (or at least they were when I looked 2 years ago) And the nice thing is everyone wants a 4bt so they can be had for cheap.
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What is the price on and condition b3.3 you typically find
I can't quite remember, around $1800 I think. The cheapest way to go cumins is still a used 6bt and the cheapest way to go diesel is still a gm 6.2\6.5 motor.
Looks like a B3.3 is more expensive than a 4BT, definitely not around $1800:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cummins-B3-...Parts_Accessories&hash=item258a3bee71&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2006-Cu...Parts_Accessories&hash=item43c63a1353&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cummins-B3-...Parts_Accessories&hash=item258a3bee71&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2006-Cu...Parts_Accessories&hash=item43c63a1353&vxp=mtr
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http://cumminsengines.com/b3-3-tier-3#overview. The power rating of 80hp? I am assuming most people use a turbo? What does this engine typically go in? A lot of pages devoted to land cruisers and jeeps using this engine.
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I know about the 4BT but what about the 6BT, I am familiar with these more so than the 3b 3. Anyone in ONSC have experience with the larger engines? I don't like old Chevy diesels we have has various ones on our farm and the Cummings is the way to go
Ebay is quite possibly the most expensive place to look for engines (except for some reason toyota diesels), I see 6.2/6.5 GM's rebuilt on there for 4k all the time but they can be had for as little as $1000 if you look in the right forums or have patience. I did check with a couple of my old sources down here and they have said they are more expensive than a few years ago due to high demand for them at the current time. Not as high as ebay listed but not as low as I used to be able to find them either.
He said around $3-3.5 is the norm for when they do pop up around here and in the outlying areas but they are normally gobbled up right away and there aren't as many of them as there used to be coming up for sale. Unless another fleet lets go of a bunch then that price seems to be what it is. At that price you are much better going 4bt/6bt anyway IMHO.B3.3s were used in
skid steer loaders
telehandlers
airport tugs
vibratory rollers
self propelled hay conditioners
broom sweepers
generators
some back end loaders
Best place to look is find one of those companies and get see when they are going to do a repower (meaning replace all motors in existing models or just junk them as they no longer hold a viable economic value to them) Most of the time these are still low mileage in diesel terms. Others are just having patience and knowing which forums to look at or just plain luck.
I knew of at least 50 in the charlotte area 2-3 years back getting gone from a company that were letting them go for dirt cheap.
One thing to remember is it was originally designed for the overseas market so there isn't as many here as there are 4bt's since the bread truck repower program.
They were getting very sought after last time I was looking into them because of the gas mileage they offer and run like a lexus compared to a 4bt so that with their scarcity may have something to do with the current price hike. But anyone looking for one should check industrial yards that have machines that may run them.
The 6BT came in dodge trucks (as well as other applications) As Johnny said they are pretty much an identical motor to the 4bt other than 2 extra cylinders.
Pros for the 6bt are :
More power from the get go and more power for every upgrade done vs a 4bt
More refined since it was designed for civilian vehicle and in that way much more smoother.
Normally cheaper to find
Pros for the 4bt are:
weight - around 300-400 less lbs
gas mileage if tuned right
What you want really depends on your driving style and what kind of rig you want yours to be. Obviously if you are going to do really hardcore stuff then a lighter engine is always better, but there is less and less of that to be found around here.
If you want more of an expo style a 6bt might be the way to go as it is a more refined engine for hours and hours of driving.
Use Johhny's "intimate" (great picture jason) knowledge of the 4bt to help you in that process.
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There's a joke about a tail shaft in here somewhere
I understand that ebay is more expensive, but it's a good indicator of the market. The point I was making is that the B3.3 is as expensive as the 4bt.
Not a good idea. There were at least 4 different injection pumps that Cummins put on the 4 and 6 cylinder motors, and only two of them are suitable for on-road use. The off-road or stationary injection pumps (Lucas A pump, Lucas CAV, etc) are load-governed, which does not work well on the road. There are rare exceptions where you'll find a VE pump in a stationary machine, or a P7100, but you have to be very careful, as the off-road pumps look very similar to the on-road ones.
The only way the 6BT is more "refined" is because of the inherently-balanced 6 cylinder design. Both the 6BT and 4BT were designed for civilian use. The 6BT was originally designed for busses, medium duty trucks and boats, etc, then later put into the Dodge Ram. The 4BT was designed for medium duty trucks, boats, delivery trucks, generators, and other stationary equipment, but never made it into a pickup truck.
I maintain that the 4BT with a good harmonic balancer puts out the same amount of vibes as the 6BT at anything other than idle. I've driven my truck up and down the east coast with a 4BT in it and what drives me nuts isn't the motor, it's how loud my tires are combined with the fact that I haven't yet fixed the AC.
SHERMAN FJ62, are you going to be up at the barn in March? Next time we meet up, you should take Moonshine out for a spin to see how you like her. Driving another converted truck always helps make the decision easier, one way or the other.